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guillaumeb

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14. Violent people often claim a religious or philosophical motivation.

Reply to Brettongarcia (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:24 PM

Oct 2016

But neither religion nor philosophy actually do anything.

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Religion Is the Biggest Bully of Them All [View all] trotsky Oct 2016 OP

good read handmade34 Oct 2016 #1

What!? And let them learn the world is older than 6000 years?? padfun Oct 2016 #183

That was surprisingly content free struggle4progress Oct 2016 #2

+1 Agree. nt jonno99 Oct 2016 #3

Here's some bully content Cartoonist Oct 2016 #5

It's common human behavior: boorish jerks justify whatever they do however they can struggle4progress Oct 2016 #6

Will religious people make any argument at all... Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #7

QED cleanhippie Oct 2016 #11

Struggle? You said 100 times religion doesn't cause violence. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #13

Do you think someone would have flown an airliner into the WTC without religion? Major Nikon Oct 2016 #25

Dozens of amateur pilots used airplanes for suicide struggle4progress Oct 2016 #30

Yes, and none of the examples you cited were precipitated by anyone other than the pilots themselves Major Nikon Oct 2016 #36

The real criterion for any scientific theory is simply this: struggle4progress Oct 2016 #38

I didn't ask if you thought it was possible, I asked if you thought it would have happened Major Nikon Oct 2016 #39

We can agree 9/11 happened. The targets were the WTC and two DC sites, struggle4progress Oct 2016 #41

Learn the logical principle 'ex falso quodlibet' struggle4progress Oct 2016 #42

MH370 Pilot Flew a Suicide Route on His Home Simulator Closely Matching Final Flight struggle4progress Oct 2016 #31

FBI: CAP pilot intentionally crashed plane into Anchorage building struggle4progress Oct 2016 #32

Murder-suicide plane crashes have killed over 600 struggle4progress Oct 2016 #35

Remember the Alamo! rug Oct 2016 #40

no, they wouldn't Skittles Oct 2016 #178

Natural law Democrats_win Oct 2016 #127

Yep. it is recovering_democrat Oct 2016 #4

To be honest, there were political 'religions' as scary as the god religions Albertoo Oct 2016 #22

Militarism is the biggest bully of all. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #8

It's the other way around Cartoonist Oct 2016 #9

Chicken vs egg argument. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #10

Either way, religion is is involved in furthering violence Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #12

Violent people often claim a religious or philosophical motivation. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #14

?!? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #15

You are trying to validate your predetermined conclusion. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #16

Predestination is a major debate Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #18

And when a President sends troops to war, with the idea being that they are fighting for God and guillaumeb Oct 2016 #19

Misuse of that authorization is predictable Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #20

We are in agreement. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #43

I make no formal verification of agreement Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #62

Except that there is no 'sacred' book of Atheism saying "Slay the unbelievers in Atheism" Albertoo Oct 2016 #21

I agree, but with one slight change. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #44

What you call 'their version' is the official version of the Sunni world = the hadiths Albertoo Oct 2016 #125

The hadiths are Islamic commentary. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #129

In your version of Islam they are commentaries Lordquinton Oct 2016 #132

Absolutely not. Ask any mainstream imam. Albertoo Oct 2016 #149

I have discussed this with Muslims in my area, including one Imam. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #159

Have you discussed it with ALL Muslims? If not, you can't speak for them. n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #162

Let me get started on that right now. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #165

On countless occasions you have attempted to declare what is "true" Islam. trotsky Oct 2016 #168

On countless occasions, you have attempted to reframe what I say so you can argue against it. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #170

What you have said is indeed clear for anyone to read. trotsky Oct 2016 #171

Evade, deflect and avoid. Obviously you have nothing else or you would have linked to it. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #172

It's all in this thread. No need to link to anything. trotsky Oct 2016 #174

You are obviously convincing yourself, but your evasion proves my point. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #176

No one's fooled. trotsky Oct 2016 #182

Are the Muslims in your area Sunni or Shiite? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #184

My point has been that there are varieties of every religion. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #186

So religion is pointless. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #190

How would one put either atheism or religion "in the bin"? stone space Oct 2016 #191

It's a personal decision to leave religion Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #193

Why do you always go to a violent solution? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #200

This is a blatant and knowing lie. And it is time to call a lie a lie. stone space Oct 2016 #206

If you find it pointless, do not follow it. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #195

you're the one claiming it's pointless Lordquinton Oct 2016 #199

I said "if YOU find it pointless" do not follow it. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #207

What you wrote confirms what I said and confirms you were wrong Albertoo Oct 2016 #192

If you had bothered to read my response, you would have seen that they are considered guillaumeb Oct 2016 #196

Did you ever read the hadiths? You are wrong: reports are not commentaries. Albertoo Oct 2016 #197

You might want to do a bit of research on martyrdom Major Nikon Oct 2016 #27

And military people are also killed for civil religion. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #45

There's no promise involved Major Nikon Oct 2016 #52

The promise that the deaths were not in vain. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #53

That's not a promise to the dead, that's a promise to the living Major Nikon Oct 2016 #56

It is a promise to the living made to convince them that the deaths are justified. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #57

Which is completely verifiable by the living Major Nikon Oct 2016 #58

What is militarism? trotsky Oct 2016 #23

The fact that you need to ask the question is telling. rug Oct 2016 #24

Militarism and patriotism are defined by the civil priests. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #46

That didn't answer my question. trotsky Oct 2016 #47

You asked what is militarism. I linked it to politicians. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #49

Right. You didn't answer. trotsky Oct 2016 #50

You rejected my answer. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #51

Right, because it didn't answer the question. trotsky Oct 2016 #54

Your beliefs require that you frame your questions in a certain way. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #55

Your beliefs require that you can only answer questions in a certain way. trotsky Oct 2016 #60

To explore your response guillaumeb Oct 2016 #63

Must have missed this. trotsky Oct 2016 #116

Militarism doesn't cause religion, but religion too often causes militarism. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #26

It's not so much of a cause and effect relationship Major Nikon Oct 2016 #28

Lots of isolated groups have religion because the power structure uses it to control people. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #29

True, but in that instance there's not as much need for militarism Major Nikon Oct 2016 #33

That's the point. . . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #34

My point is I don't see it as a cause and effect relationship Major Nikon Oct 2016 #37

Militarists will often use religion as justification for militarism. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #48

Exactly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #59

From what religion does the concept "God is on our side" arise? trotsky Oct 2016 #61

The state religion that is patriotism. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #64

Patriotism NeoGreen Oct 2016 #65

And some use patriotism as an excuse for violent actions. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #71

Or religion... NeoGreen Oct 2016 #79

And from what holy book does that religion arise? trotsky Oct 2016 #66

US history. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #72

US history isn't a holy book. trotsky Oct 2016 #73

I would say you are locked into a literalist definition of words because you cannot admit guillaumeb Oct 2016 #74

Your argument is indeed much stronger... trotsky Oct 2016 #75

Belief systems are based on many things, with some similarities. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #76

Sure thing, whatever you say. trotsky Oct 2016 #77

I linked to an article. You can find more, or could if you really wanted to understand another guillaumeb Oct 2016 #78

As I just pointed out, you're the one trying to define things to your liking. trotsky Oct 2016 #86

As you pointed out does no really describe this latest post by you. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #88

We've been through this many, many times. I agree. trotsky Oct 2016 #90

Asked and previously answered. But in the interest of clarity: guillaumeb Oct 2016 #92

So your answer to my question is "yes"? trotsky Oct 2016 #93

People are motivated by many beliefs to commit violence. The motivation can be religious or secular. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #94

So for the record, you did not answer my question. trotsky Oct 2016 #95

I actually answered it twice. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #101

No, you did nothing of the sort. trotsky Oct 2016 #106

Allow me to prove you wrong. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #110

Strange. You said you'd prove me wrong, but your post didn't. trotsky Oct 2016 #112

Could you put a summary on an internet meme, please? stone space Oct 2016 #80

Gilla? Heard of the "no true Scotsman fallacy? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #145

And where exactly did I say that? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #158

When you emphasize causes of violence other than religion, Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #160

Quite a roundabout admission that I did not actually say what you previously posted. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #161

Often its not what people say, but what they assume Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #163

Yeah, you've got it. n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #164

So again you ascribe something to me that cannot be found in my actual posts. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #166

So are you admitting there can be bad things in Christianity? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #167

I am still waiting for you to clarify yuor view or admit that you have constructed a straw man guillaumeb Oct 2016 #169

Proving that we are criticizing a straw man is quite easy. trotsky Oct 2016 #173

Yes. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #175

HOLY FUCKING SHIT trotsky Oct 2016 #179

Easy one. Almost too easy in fact. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #180

Easy only with the worldview you've chosen. trotsky Oct 2016 #181

Absurdity. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #187

I agree, your position is absurd. trotsky Oct 2016 #198

Is that the only thing Muhammad said? Lordquinton Oct 2016 #185

Did you read what I posted? If so, why would you ask this question? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #188

I did. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #189

That is not what I said. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #194

It is what you said Lordquinton Oct 2016 #201

I actually said that not all people follow these words. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #208

Is this a joke? where did guillaumeb find this quote? Albertoo Oct 2016 #209

Geez, I kinda took it for granted he'd know what he was talking about. trotsky Oct 2016 #210

The Nazi state religion that quotes God, or "Gott" Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #146

"Courage is fire, and bullying is smoke" - Benjamin Disraeli rug Oct 2016 #17

It's funny to see the twisting going on. Lordquinton Oct 2016 #100

It's been quite entertaining, but wholly expected. n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #108

I see a lot of the common excuse Lordquinton Oct 2016 #113

Gotta do it. Thankless task to be sure. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #111

As a Christian, I can't disagree. I've seen too many egos infesting organized religion that BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #126

Problematic reasoning. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #130

If the Book of Acts is to be believed, trotsky Oct 2016 #131

It's easier in the internet age. stone space Oct 2016 #133

*sigh* Correcting you once again: trotsky Oct 2016 #136

If I claim to be an astronaut, then I'm an astronaut. This is the internet, after all. stone space Oct 2016 #137

If the Book of Acts were to be read, rug Oct 2016 #135

So, is this bible passage... Fix The Stupid Oct 2016 #138

If you can't tell I can't fix it. rug Oct 2016 #139

That's why I am asking you..the expert. Fix The Stupid Oct 2016 #140

These people are the experts: rug Oct 2016 #141

God kills those who don't contribute, in Acts 5.1-12 Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #142

If you believe that actually happened. rug Oct 2016 #143

So you're following the metaphor algorithm? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #144

No, I'm following reading comprehension. rug Oct 2016 #147

"Fill in the Blank" Post #1. Modern preachers misrepresented the Bible. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #148

That's not an algorithm. rug Oct 2016 #150

At one time, only a Christian view was allowed, or popular Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #151

You're think of some of the colonies, not the United States rug Oct 2016 #152

Technically? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #153

Are you complaining that atheists meet with impolite opposition? rug Oct 2016 #154

Equally on both sides of course Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #155

I'll accept that. rug Oct 2016 #156

Brilliant response! cornball 24 Oct 2016 #204

CORRECT Skittles Oct 2016 #177

All Supremacists by nature are bullies HAB911 Oct 2016 #202

There are few, Fichefinder Oct 2016 #203

Hi there. Just wondering why you felt the need to post this superfluous and supercilious cornball 24 Oct 2016 #205

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