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Albertoo

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68. It would be interesting to quantitatively measure why people believe

Wed Oct 26, 2016, 02:53 PM

Oct 2016

Because, as you agreed, most believers do not do so on the basis of their texts which they twist and turn at will.

In this regard, the most chutzpah I ever observed was Tariq Ramadan telling Christopher Hitchens that what one found in the texts depended on what one had in one's own heart. I think Ramadan was trying to say that good people will always find good things in the holy books.

I never understood how Hitchens, with his quick biting irony, did not point out that if certain texts have no more meaning than what the readers bring, the texts are pretty much meaningless. Which they are. Except that they also add in reasons to be violent if one is inclined to search for excuses to be a psychopath. A la ISIS.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2016 OP

There are only two things I can't stand in this world... Xipe Totec Oct 2016 #1

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his main enemy whom was a Dutch farmer raised his other son, Douglas, to be an evil genius Xipe Totec Oct 2016 #5

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Clap clap! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #3

Thank you. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #4

Intolerance is built in most religions. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. Albertoo Oct 2016 #6

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Extremely funny coming from you who actually invent quotes Albertoo Oct 2016 #17

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Your ability to put opinion before fact is stupendous Albertoo Oct 2016 #21

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You are utterly and completely wrong, as usual. trotsky Oct 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Oct 2016 #28

Naw, I just like to point out when you're wrong. trotsky Oct 2016 #30

See number 32 guillaumeb Oct 2016 #33

Is that a quote from the Koran? trotsky Oct 2016 #35

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If you apologize for fabricating a quote from the Koran, I will forgive you. trotsky Oct 2016 #39

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No apology, no forgiveness. trotsky Oct 2016 #48

You're piling up new invented quotes, this time from me Albertoo Oct 2016 #38

Apparently some people think dishonesty is something that must be tolerated. trotsky Oct 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Oct 2016 #44

Not sure where you're going. Not sure you know either. Albertoo Oct 2016 #57

You've pretty much described how most discussions with him go. trotsky Oct 2016 #59

It would be interesting to quantitatively measure why people believe Albertoo Oct 2016 #68

Yes, that is the core contradiction at the heart of the argument guillaumeb tries to champion. trotsky Oct 2016 #73

Not all intolerance is bad. Why are you painting with such a broad brush? trotsky Oct 2016 #7

Yes, it is. rug Oct 2016 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Oct 2016 #11

It's hard to avoid a giant, flashing neon sign. rug Oct 2016 #12

Are there not "opinions or beliefs" used to support slavery? Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #41

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Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #52

An attempt at word play? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #10

No, a request for clarification, since you didn't specify. trotsky Oct 2016 #14

No, you are ignoring what does not fit your predetermined narrative. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #19

"you are ignoring what does not fit your predetermined narrative." trotsky Oct 2016 #22

Yes, your intolerance for religion is obvious. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #24

LMAO! trotsky Oct 2016 #26

Yes, your pattern of intolerance continues. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #29

LMAO! trotsky Oct 2016 #31

In my opinion, trotsky's pattern of saltpoint Oct 2016 #47

Here, here! Believers get owned every day here. Comical. N/T Fix The Stupid Oct 2016 #49

I spoke in support of trotsky's posts on saltpoint Oct 2016 #51

This guillaumeb Oct 2016 #56

You make the discussion personal when the personal saltpoint Oct 2016 #60

In a dialogue such as this, viewpoints are advanced. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #64

That's one navigation, but it does not respect saltpoint Oct 2016 #71

An apt name. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #54

Ha! Back atcha, FTS. trotsky Oct 2016 #67

Deonstrating intolerance for religion is a positive? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #53

If 'intolerance' is judged independent of those saltpoint Oct 2016 #55

Now you are attempting to add to the stated idea that intolerance is a human condition. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #63

Whether a set of traits is endemic obscures saltpoint Oct 2016 #70

Starting with your first assertion: guillaumeb Oct 2016 #75

I most certainly am asserting the role of saltpoint Oct 2016 #76

The role of any social construct is to provide a framework for social interaction. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #80

No, their role includes, but is not limited to, "a framework saltpoint Oct 2016 #81

Social groups are by their name groups of whatever makes up the society. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #83

Humans like to believe that they are not saltpoint Oct 2016 #85

If by "that process" you are referring to socialization, guillaumeb Oct 2016 #86

"While admitting to the worst of all possible saltpoint Oct 2016 #87

Interesting points, and in addition, guillaumeb Oct 2016 #90

But the resistance = intolerant of change saltpoint Oct 2016 #91

Resistance to change does not automatically equate with intolerance. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #96

guillaumeb, when resistance to change saltpoint Oct 2016 #103

When the resistance is in spite of a change that has been proven to be better, guillaumeb Oct 2016 #105

We could make a very long list of saltpoint Oct 2016 #107

Galileo and Copernicus both. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #108

Good stuff, and you're doing it saltpoint Oct 2016 #109

Trump is indeed evidence of emotion over understanding. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #110

The religious right, at least since the Nixon saltpoint Oct 2016 #111

The extremes receive more attention. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #112

Thank you for the kind words, saltpoint. n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #66

Hey there. saltpoint Oct 2016 #69

+1 cleanhippie Oct 2016 #79

The pope has said that gay marriage is from satan and will destroy the family. Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #42

I disagree with that viewpoint. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #46

No, you're being 'intolerant' of their beliefs... Fix The Stupid Oct 2016 #50

No, you obviously do not. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #58

How intolerant of you. n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #61

That sounds a lot like "unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect opinions or beliefs" Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #62

What I said a short time ago: guillaumeb Oct 2016 #65

The pope and his church... trotsky Oct 2016 #74

Not quite. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #78

Yes that's all fine and dandy that we accept other people can have opinions. trotsky Oct 2016 #88

Your agenda and style of argument are hereby noted. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #92

Ah yes, your standard answer when you've been shown to be wrong. trotsky Oct 2016 #94

Ayup. Iggo Oct 2016 #16

I tolerate religious bullshit all the live-long day. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2016 #15

As I do with non-religious nonsense. eom guillaumeb Oct 2016 #20

Oh, yeah, the nonsensical stuff is the worst, right? Iggo Oct 2016 #27

What IS interresting/ironic/illuminating guillaumeb Oct 2016 #32

I hate, hate, HATE religion. I tolerate it, because it's not going anywhere. Iggo Oct 2016 #34

I appreciate your tolerance in spite of your hate. It says a lot about you. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #36

So why post it in the Religion group? immoderate Oct 2016 #82

It was posted partially in response to another post, partly to illustrate guillaumeb Oct 2016 #84

Christ on a popsicle stick. trotsky Oct 2016 #89

Perhaps you misread the original question posted by another responder. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #93

I read it perfectly well. trotsky Oct 2016 #95

Given that the question was asked as to why I posted in "religion", guillaumeb Oct 2016 #97

"focusing on one particular institution, religion in this case, is indicative to me of an agenda" trotsky Oct 2016 #98

If an individual concentrates on posting negative stories about religion, guillaumeb Oct 2016 #99

The "supposed" intolerance of religion and believers? trotsky Oct 2016 #100

And add to "the supposed intolerance" guillaumeb Oct 2016 #101

And back you go to the straw man. You sure did show that fictitious atheist guy that you hate. trotsky Oct 2016 #102

Do you live in 17th century America? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #104

Of course not, which is why I said: trotsky Oct 2016 #106

Well said! Jim__ Oct 2016 #72

What an interresting citation. Thanks for the link. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #77