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6. Let's see exactly what these "dolts" in their "idiocy" say about Nawaz:
Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:43 PM
Oct 2016
Maajid Nawaz

Maajid Nawaz is a British activist and part of the “ex-radical” circuit of former Islamists who use that experience to savage Islam. His story, which has been told repeatedly in the British and American press and in testimony to legislators as well, sounds compelling enough — Nawaz says he grew up being attacked by neo-Nazi skinheads in the United Kingdom, spent almost four years in an Egyptian prison after joining a supposedly nonviolent Islamist group, but had a change of heart while imprisoned and then returned to England to work against the radicalization of Muslims. But major elements of his story have been disputed by former friends, members of his family, fellow jihadists and journalists, and the evidence suggests that Nawaz is far more interested in self-promotion and money than in any particular ideological dispute. He told several different versions of his story, emphasizing that he was deradicalized while in Egypt — even though he in fact continued his Islamist agitation for months after returning. After starting the Quilliam Foundation, which he describes as an anti-extremism think tank, Nawaz sent a secret list to a top British security official that accused “peaceful Muslim groups, politicians, a television channel and a Scotland Yard unit of sharing the ideology of terrorists,” according to The Guardian. His Quilliam Foundation received more than 1.25 million pounds from the British government, but the government eventually decided to stop funding it. One of Nawaz’s biggest purported coups was getting anti-Muslim extremist Tommy Robinson to quit as head of the violence-prone English Defence League, trumpeting his departure at a press conference. But Robinson later said Quilliam had paid him some 8,000 British pounds to allow Nawaz to take credit for what he already planned to do. Shortly afterward, Robinson returned to anti-Muslim agitation with other groups.

IN HIS OWN WORDS

In the list sent to a top British security official in 2010, headlined “Preventing Terrorism: Where Next for Britain?” Quilliam wrote, “The ideology of non-violent Islamists is broadly the same as that of violent Islamists; they disagree only on tactics.” An official with Scotland Yard’s Muslim Contact Unit told The Guardian that “[t]he list demonises a whole range of groups that in my experience have made valuable contributions to counter-terrorism.”

In a Nov. 16, 2013, op-ed in the Daily Mail, Nawaz called for criminalizing the wearing of the veil, or niqab, in many public places, saying: “It is not only reasonable, but our duty to insist individuals remove the veil when they enter identity-sensitive environments such as banks, airports, courts and schools.”

According to a Jan. 24, 2014, report in The Guardian, Nawaz tweeted out a cartoon of Jesus and Muhammad — despite the fact that many Muslims see it as blasphemous to draw Muhammad. He said that he wanted “to carve out a space to be heard without constantly fearing the blasphemy charge.”

Nawaz, who had described himself as a “feminist,” was “filmed repeatedly trying to touch a naked lap dancer,” according to an April 10, 2015, report in the Daily Mail. The paper apparently got the security film from the owner of a strip club who was incensed by Nawaz’s claims to be a religious Muslim.

The SPLC has again done a fine job of identifying hate groups and their allies.

"Fueling this hatred has been the propaganda, the vast majority of it completely baseless, produced and popularized by a network of anti-Muslim extremists and their enablers."

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"Atheists" who hate Muslims are outraged, I'm sure, not to have their hatred validated by the SPLC. stone space Oct 2016 #1
"Extremists" are physically violent Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #10
Um...I am an atheist on DU. stone space Oct 2016 #13
Most atheists here disagree with you Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #21
This is a lie. You haven't taken a survey of atheists on DU. stone space Oct 2016 #26
Does shooting and bombing and killing them count as violence? stone space Oct 2016 #15
Not Ayan Ali, but the US Government, is attacking. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #18
You didn't answer my question. stone space Oct 2016 #19
Ali is verbally aggressive. But actually fighting? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #22
Does shooting and bombing and killing them count as violence? You didn't answer. stone space Oct 2016 #24
Yes, that is violence Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #28
See here: stone space Oct 2016 #29
We call those "words." Not deeds. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #33
Who else's SPLC page would you like removed? stone space Oct 2016 #48
Enabled by the ideology she promotes. rug Oct 2016 #20
Obvious? I saw nothing obvious about equating expression Panich52 Oct 2016 #42
Using a broad brush to fight intolerance with intolerance? guillaumeb Oct 2016 #2
Nawaz is a Muslim. That's how fucking stupid that SPLC web page is. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #3
I've heard the SPLC called many things, but never stupid. rug Oct 2016 #4
No, because Nawaz is a Muslim muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #5
Let's see exactly what these "dolts" in their "idiocy" say about Nawaz: rug Oct 2016 #6
Precisely. It's fucking stupid. It misrepresents him. It attacks him over unconnected things. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #7
You're right. The SPLC has lost all credibility. n/t shira Oct 2016 #47
He went to a strip club? Golly. That's extreme.... Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #11
He established the Quillian Foundation. That's extreme . . . . rug Oct 2016 #14
So Nawaz condemns right wing anti Muslim rhetoric? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #16
Lol, you're really trying to avoid unpleasant facts, aren't you? rug Oct 2016 #17
More than my 5 years living in Muslim countries? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #23
Yes, more than 5 years of subjective anecdotes. rug Oct 2016 #27
& several years formal study of comparative religions? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #32
Five years of subjective anecdotes plus internet academic claims. rug Oct 2016 #35
No, the Quilliam Foundation is not extreme muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #31
I am saying, and said, the Qilliam Foundation is extreme. rug Oct 2016 #34
So one letter to a paper opposing Quilliam, and 2 in favour of it, muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #37
If you were paying attention, it statarts with the SPLC, which yoiu dismissed as "idiocy". rug Oct 2016 #38
I'll stick with his actual politics, as shown by his party membership and candidacy muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #41
Hemant Mehta agrees with you? So does Pam Geller. rug Oct 2016 #44
And that's the kind of opinion from you that shows disagreeing with you is so often right muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #45
Dawkins is an ass. On the question of Islam, he is more that that - he's a bigot. rug Oct 2016 #46
Optimally, the left is internationalist, and opposes nationalisms Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #39
This opinion post is from Christianpost.com Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #36
Do you prefer Breitbart? rug Oct 2016 #40
See my rough notes on internationalism Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #43
a vigorous anti-hate group vs. the people who still think Iraq was a good idea? tough pick MisterP Oct 2016 #50
Heh. rug Oct 2016 #51
Nawaz was in an Egyptian jail then. He never thought Iraq was a good idea muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #55
I've heard that the SPLC branded a group of nuns as extremists Jason1961 Oct 2016 #52
You sound offended. rug Oct 2016 #53
Humored Jason1961 Oct 2016 #54
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