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Brettongarcia

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116. No. The Old Testament was probably mostly literal.

Mon Oct 31, 2016, 03:37 PM

Oct 2016

Parts of the New Testament suggest metaphorical spiritual readings, optionally.

But in my rough draft book on this, I find that surprisingly, the Bible ultimately drops that. And finally favors a physicalistic religion. One that can be tested with "science" (Dan.1.4-15 KJE; I Kings 18.20-40; 1 Thesis. 5.21).

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You said: "existence IS the proof for believers" trotsky Oct 2016 #1

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But what YOU said was: "existence IS the proof for believers" trotsky Oct 2016 #9

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The phrase may also appear in the article, but YOU said it. trotsky Oct 2016 #15

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You bet *I* do. trotsky Oct 2016 #24

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So what you meant was "existence is the proof for me" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #39

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The confusion is that the phrase makes a general claim, but you then denied that muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #48

Yes, I agree. trotsky Oct 2016 #55

The agenda is yours, IMO. saltpoint Oct 2016 #2

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Isn't that the risk we incur whenever we saltpoint Oct 2016 #7

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At first I was confused about where NDT fit into this. trotsky Oct 2016 #14

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OMG IT WAS THE BEST COMEDY RETORT EVAH!!! trotsky Oct 2016 #22

LOL HAB911 Oct 2016 #3

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Definition of LOL in English: HAB911 Oct 2016 #8

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No, LOL pretty much covers it HAB911 Oct 2016 #13

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Wise. Thank you. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #102

CORRECT Skittles Oct 2016 #51

You might expand your search. safeinOhio Oct 2016 #18

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Some context for the quote? Heart of the Matter:God under the Microscope Jim__ Oct 2016 #23

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That's not a strawman Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #25

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There is a straw man in the OP, but it's yours not Dawkins Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #44

Well there you go again. trotsky Oct 2016 #57

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If it had any more straw, we'd hear neighing. rug Oct 2016 #37

ha haha ha Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #45

Our Constitution guarantees your right to your beliefs PJMcK Oct 2016 #26

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I've read about George Lemaitre PJMcK Oct 2016 #32

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Thank you for your response PJMcK Oct 2016 #38

And you. And the same. guillaumeb Oct 2016 #41

So mostly science and religion ARE separate for you? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #52

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Regarding conflict between religion and science? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #84

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Insistance we read LeMaitre is a power play Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #90

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Here's LeMaitre; separating religion and science Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #91

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Reconciliation? Or agreement to divorce? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #95

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LeMaitre and moderns abandon 3/4 of Christianity Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #100

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Christianity, the Bible, once made huge physical claims Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #107

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No. The Old Testament was probably mostly literal. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #116

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Of course I know that. I was raised rigorously on the spiritual metaphor model. Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #121

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Dietary restrictions were established by God, and are religious Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #128

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Science should judge religion. Says the Bible Brettongarcia Nov 2016 #144

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Which is divorce, separation of science and religion. Brettongarcia Nov 2016 #152

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Science gets all material things; religion gets spirits Brettongarcia Nov 2016 #158

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Creation or Infinite? dvduval Oct 2016 #27

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The notion that God was not created, but always was... Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #49

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So you're satisfied with not understanding it, then? trotsky Oct 2016 #64

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So your answer is yes. trotsky Oct 2016 #72

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LOL can't blame you for trying (again). n/t trotsky Oct 2016 #108

What a weird 'take' on religion and science - albeit characteristic. Dickie is Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #28

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No - we don't want a creationist blog thinly disguised as 'intelligent design' here muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #40

It's not meant to be disguised. Only atheists are sufficeintly wilfully blind Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #69

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Pimping right-wing homophobes is OK now? opiate69 Oct 2016 #43

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Silly me.... opiate69 Oct 2016 #76

"Dickie is definitely not 'playing with the full deck'" Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #46

What do you think should be done with the New Atheists? trotsky Oct 2016 #56

"I don't know much, but I'm satisfied knowing God made it all" Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #50

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Which to your mind says what? Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #66

The true purpose of religion vlyons Oct 2016 #53

What qualifies him to ascribe purpose/limits to other religions? AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #111

What qualifies him? vlyons Oct 2016 #129

He didn't say 'buddhism'. He said 'religion'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #130

You obviously don't know much about the Dalai Lama vlyons Nov 2016 #132

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Because trite saccharine bumper sticker-league anecdotes give us the warm and fuzzies. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #142

Sure he does vlyons Nov 2016 #143

He has no such mind, or he could demonstrate it. He is a man. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #149

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Evasion and deflection: I wonder if you're confused or obfuscating? Albertoo Oct 2016 #78

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