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trotsky

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Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:22 AM Nov 2016

How the Support of Catholics Helped Donald Trump's Victory [View all]

http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-election-2016-catholic-vote/

In the election post-mortem and hand-wringing among pollsters, pundits, and prognosticators, many factors will be identified as contributing to Donald Trump’s decisive victory, including race, class, and gender. But one other factor that deserves more attention is religion. In spite of reports indicating that Trump was having “problems” with the Catholic vote, exit polling indicates that he won Catholics by 52% to 45%. This marks a substantial change from the previous two presidential elections when Catholics voted for Obama by margins of 9% in 2008 and 2% in 2012.

In my view, Trump’s turnaround was the result of a deep antipathy to cultural elites who are perceived as not only being tone deaf to Catholic sensibilities, but also as actively antagonistic to them.

Catholic journalist Andrew Sullivan argues in New York Magazine that the “left” had overplayed its hand on cultural issues. Obviously, abortion is a central part of this perceived “overplay,” and even liberal Catholics—many of whom are against abortion but not willing to outlaw it—are taken aback by positions reflected in social media campaigns such as #shoutyourabortion, not to mention Trump’s opponent Hillary Clinton’s own defense of late-term pregnancy terminations.

But beyond the incendiary issue of abortion, there are other issues concerning perceived government encroachments on the ability, and right, of religious institutions and communities to operate according to their own deeply held values and commitments. Such debates, ranging from whether religious institutions should support health plans that cover contraception, to the establishment of gender-neutral bathrooms, involve difficult questions concerning how civil society should be structured. Many Catholics, though by no means all, wonder whether in making civil society more inclusive, there is paradoxically less space for traditional forms of religious expression.
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And 26% of Hispanics 'voted for drumpf'. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #1
Your reply does not fit within the "religion is the problem" meme promoted by some here. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #2
I'm catholic, but don't believe I have a fight with non-religious Dems or those from other religious Mc Mike Nov 2016 #3
"though there are some fuckheads in the American Bishops who backed that nazi swine." trotsky Nov 2016 #6
The bishop of my diocese backed the Orange Satan meow2u3 Nov 2016 #9
I do what I can to counter the righties JPII and Ratzinger put in, all the time. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #11
Theft might play a part in the loss, and voter supression as well. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #7
The people who own mass media, the people who our presidents have to serve, Mc Mike Nov 2016 #13
And some people promote the meme... trotsky Nov 2016 #5
Of course there are many factors. trotsky Nov 2016 #4
My point was that it's not believable that he did win 26% of hispanics, or 53% of white women, Mc Mike Nov 2016 #8
So you believe there was election fraud? trotsky Nov 2016 #10
So you believe that over a quarter of Hispanics looked at dRumpfenfuhrer and liked what they saw? Mc Mike Nov 2016 #12
Actually, I do. trotsky Nov 2016 #15
Nope. I believe the polls that put him at 7 to 11 %, or 17%. You know, those polls that came out Mc Mike Nov 2016 #16
We do disagree. trotsky Nov 2016 #17
Too bad you don't want to hear the epiphany story. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #18
No, what I'd like to discuss is what we do for the next election. trotsky Nov 2016 #19
Is that what you got out of my post 11? Mc Mike Nov 2016 #22
You do realize that your church doesn't care about that, right? trotsky Nov 2016 #24
I'm pro-choice. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #25
LOL trotsky Nov 2016 #29
Yes, I can see the pattern: Catholics vote far more for Republicans than blacks and Hispanics muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #27
Hispanics are predominantly Catholic. rug Nov 2016 #28
Which shows how awful the White Catholic number was muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #30
So who are you trying to single out? White people or Catholics? rug Nov 2016 #34
To find out the topic of a thread, read the title (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #35
But you use the term "White Catholics", ignoring the votes of Hispanic Catholics. rug Nov 2016 #36
You know jack squat about me. But you want a fight anyhow. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #41
2004 kebob Nov 2016 #14
Is that true? Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #20
That is what exit polling is indicating. trotsky Nov 2016 #21
It's frustrating and angering... Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #37
Yep - the Pew analysis muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #23
It was all about the Supreme Court, and Abortion. wisteria Nov 2016 #26
A lot of my extended family voted for him as well. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #31
Their church has prioritized abortion as a sin above all others. trotsky Nov 2016 #32
It hasn't though Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #39
I don't dispute that many liberal Catholics vote for pro-choice candidates. trotsky Nov 2016 #40
I am Catholic Dorian Gray Nov 2016 #38
Good they will need to ramp MFM008 Nov 2016 #33
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