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The newfangled atheists' normalization of Islamophobia was a... [View all] stone space Dec 2016 OP

Will you eleborate on this, or is there a link? eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

No links. Just Mr. Stone Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #30

The statement that "all religions are bad" does, in my opinion, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #32

Even your own - liberal, allegorical, spiritual? - religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #33

Any belief system is composed of human believers. Fallible humans. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #34

And since humans largely invent most of religion? Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #35

If one believes in a Creator, or any other name you choose, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #36

But since we humans cannot know a creator Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #37

True. And that is where faith enters. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #38

Interestingly, the Bible warns about false things in religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #40

You apparently made your choice. As I made mine. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #45

But that's not an argument or justification Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #46

Faith has been described as the willing suspension of disbelief. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #65

God Favors Science Over Faith (1Kings 18.20-40; Dan. 1.4-15, etc.). Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #69

Not exactly an answer to my questions, but...... guillaumeb Dec 2016 #71

Yes. Overwhelmingly most churches stress faith. In say, Jesus. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #72

People are often deceived by other people. Obvious I know. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #73

But this raises another issue on your religion: indecision Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #74

You are perhaps confusing things here. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #75

Problems in religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #76

Not quite: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #77

But I see you and many others on a destructive path. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #78

Back up Bretton, you are about to fall into the pit! guillaumeb Dec 2016 #79

Almost better. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #81

You have apparently found what works for you. Well done. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #82

Here's a problem. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #83

If I insist that critics of my position are "wrong", please give examples. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #85

Guil: your modern permissive, inclusive Christianity, differs only slightly from evangelicalism Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #96

My beliefs are shared by many Christians. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #99

Your modern Christianity, Is a good example Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #102

There is a difference between breaking away and refining the message. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #106

But if the New is better, then the Old is worse Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #107

I would not say better and worse. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #108

Where did you obtain your PhD? okasha Dec 2016 #93

Classically, and from the original Hebrew, faith is merely LanternWaste Dec 2016 #104

Just out of curiosity, BG, where did you obtain your PhD? okasha Dec 2016 #88

Redirect please guillaumeb Dec 2016 #91

Sorry. My mobile compresses posts so it's hard to tell which posts are answers to which otber posts okasha Dec 2016 #92

And, since humans largely invented most of politics, nations, philosophies, arts, etc., LanternWaste Dec 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space Dec 2016 #42

If Catholic priests were responsible? Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #44

"Normalization of Islamophobia?" Warpy Dec 2016 #2

Is the sky down in Australia? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4

Have you never seen this data? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #7

I have. I find such nonsense to indicate far more about those guillaumeb Dec 2016 #8

Warpy is objecting that atheists have the numbers or the social clout to 'normalize islamaphobia'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #10

Understood, and we are all still waiting to find out why the post is actually here. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #21

stone is good at that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #23

You underestimate yourself. You underestimate all of us. stone space Dec 2016 #16

Your views are the strangest ones Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #24

Do you suffer from the illusion that atheists are amoral? stone space Dec 2016 #25

I have no idea why you would think that. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #26

I can't speak for your hateful friends. They hurt people who we care about when they spew it. stone space Dec 2016 #27

What does your story have to do with militant atheists? Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #28

You need to stop trying to push militant atheists into the closet. stone space Dec 2016 #29

Just sayin'... dhill926 Dec 2016 #3

What are you talking about? n/t The Genealogist Dec 2016 #5

It's a constant theme of the right wing. rug Dec 2016 #6

So, not Atheists then. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #11

The OP is about Islamophobia not voting patterns. rug Dec 2016 #12

No, I'm aware of a tiny minority of athiests that are islamophobic. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #17

Where's your data for "tiny"? rug Dec 2016 #31

Actual atheists are still around 6% of the population. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #39

I really hope that the defeatism that I keep hearing from my fellow atheists is just a deflection. stone space Dec 2016 #41

I linked the survey upthread. It's repeated yearly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #49

Your claim is that of those 6%, only a "tiny" amount are Islamophobes. rug Dec 2016 #43

Given that the atheist population hasn't increased much since before Harris/Dawkins/Abedin AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #48

I see. There is no data. rug Dec 2016 #50

Yeah. I suggest you take it up with the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #52

No. I take it up with you and your assertion of "tiny". rug Dec 2016 #54

Please. Atheists (not agnostics and 'nones) are a tiny percentage of the population. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #55

Nothing you say worries me. rug Dec 2016 #57

I'm, as usual, waiting for an actual counter-argument from you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #58

And I'm, as usual, waiting for actual data from you. rug Dec 2016 #59

And as usual, I note your concern is much higher about my objection, than the content of the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #60

For good reason. rug Dec 2016 #62

In this case, I'll throw you a bone now that I see how you misinterpreted the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #64

That is an interesting article. rug Dec 2016 #66

Let's assume every atheist is an Islamophobe. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #53

I wouldn't. rug Dec 2016 #56

Well, I don't think I have a clue what the OP is about, Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #61

Stone doesn't specify WITHIN new atheists. That's your qualifier, not the OP's. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #63

"newfangled atheists' normalization" does. rug Dec 2016 #67

Pretty sure stone is not talking about normalization within their own population, and scanning AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #70

Ayn Rand has had considerable influence okasha Dec 2016 #84

Ah, a 'no true scotsman' fallacy appears. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #86

Wrong. Unsuccessful attempt at diversion. okasha Dec 2016 #87

Trump has publicly claimed on multiple occasions to be a christian. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #89

LOL. "Two Corinthians-" okasha Dec 2016 #94

Doesn't matter. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #98

Not talking about "ideals." okasha Dec 2016 #100

Doesn't eliminate one's claim to be a christian. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #105

Also, that's not true. There are Tea Party members of the Episcoplian, Protestant, MCC, etc AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #90

Tea Party members of the MCC? okasha Dec 2016 #95

Never suggested they support said principles. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #97

No single church, okasha Dec 2016 #101

Do we really need to remind people again who voted for the Islamophobe in 2016? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #9

Perhaps you need to be reminded who are the Islamophobes. rug Dec 2016 #13

Perhaps you need to read the OP again - this is about politics muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #14

"The newfangled atheists' normalization of Islamophobia" rug Dec 2016 #15

And everyone apart from you thinks it makes no sense muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #18

That's a particularly grandiose argumentum ad populum you're using there. rug Dec 2016 #19

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Don't swoon on me, muriel. rug Dec 2016 #22

You're completely wrong here Lordquinton Dec 2016 #47

Ah, I remember the good old days when cbayer and starboard tack used to sit around and pretend AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #51

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