Religion

Bretton Garcia

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76. Problems in religion

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 12:21 PM

Dec 2016

1) You are saying God is beyond understanding ... but then stipulating things you feel you understood he said. Like stressing faith.

2)The Bible is considered holy revelation by some. But others note factual errors in it.

3) Jesus at times claims to follow God ... but then changes the rules, his view of God, to something new. Though God earlier called his laws everlasting and unchangeable.

4) Jews did not accept Jesus because they - rightly I show - felt he was changing too many things said by my God earlier. Like the changes made by the New Covenant. Which God in the Old Testament did not authorize .

5) The Bible assigns many traits to the Creator. If you reject those traits, sayings, what you're left with is hopelessly vague and featureless.

6) I originally didn't ask questions because I was always a nonbeliever. Long ago, I was a believer. Who asked questions about God in part because the Bible's God himself said "put me to the test," Mal. 3.10; 1 Kings 18.20-40; 1 Thess. 5.21.

Ironically, I was following the Bible, when I began to question God.

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The newfangled atheists' normalization of Islamophobia was a... [View all] stone space Dec 2016 OP

Will you eleborate on this, or is there a link? eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

No links. Just Mr. Stone Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #30

The statement that "all religions are bad" does, in my opinion, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #32

Even your own - liberal, allegorical, spiritual? - religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #33

Any belief system is composed of human believers. Fallible humans. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #34

And since humans largely invent most of religion? Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #35

If one believes in a Creator, or any other name you choose, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #36

But since we humans cannot know a creator Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #37

True. And that is where faith enters. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #38

Interestingly, the Bible warns about false things in religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #40

You apparently made your choice. As I made mine. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #45

But that's not an argument or justification Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #46

Faith has been described as the willing suspension of disbelief. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #65

God Favors Science Over Faith (1Kings 18.20-40; Dan. 1.4-15, etc.). Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #69

Not exactly an answer to my questions, but...... guillaumeb Dec 2016 #71

Yes. Overwhelmingly most churches stress faith. In say, Jesus. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #72

People are often deceived by other people. Obvious I know. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #73

But this raises another issue on your religion: indecision Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #74

You are perhaps confusing things here. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #75

Problems in religion Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #76

Not quite: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #77

But I see you and many others on a destructive path. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #78

Back up Bretton, you are about to fall into the pit! guillaumeb Dec 2016 #79

Almost better. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #81

You have apparently found what works for you. Well done. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #82

Here's a problem. Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #83

If I insist that critics of my position are "wrong", please give examples. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #85

Guil: your modern permissive, inclusive Christianity, differs only slightly from evangelicalism Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #96

My beliefs are shared by many Christians. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #99

Your modern Christianity, Is a good example Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #102

There is a difference between breaking away and refining the message. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #106

But if the New is better, then the Old is worse Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #107

I would not say better and worse. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #108

Where did you obtain your PhD? okasha Dec 2016 #93

Classically, and from the original Hebrew, faith is merely LanternWaste Dec 2016 #104

Just out of curiosity, BG, where did you obtain your PhD? okasha Dec 2016 #88

Redirect please guillaumeb Dec 2016 #91

Sorry. My mobile compresses posts so it's hard to tell which posts are answers to which otber posts okasha Dec 2016 #92

And, since humans largely invented most of politics, nations, philosophies, arts, etc., LanternWaste Dec 2016 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author stone space Dec 2016 #42

If Catholic priests were responsible? Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #44

"Normalization of Islamophobia?" Warpy Dec 2016 #2

Is the sky down in Australia? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4

Have you never seen this data? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #7

I have. I find such nonsense to indicate far more about those guillaumeb Dec 2016 #8

Warpy is objecting that atheists have the numbers or the social clout to 'normalize islamaphobia'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #10

Understood, and we are all still waiting to find out why the post is actually here. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #21

stone is good at that. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #23

You underestimate yourself. You underestimate all of us. stone space Dec 2016 #16

Your views are the strangest ones Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #24

Do you suffer from the illusion that atheists are amoral? stone space Dec 2016 #25

I have no idea why you would think that. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #26

I can't speak for your hateful friends. They hurt people who we care about when they spew it. stone space Dec 2016 #27

What does your story have to do with militant atheists? Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #28

You need to stop trying to push militant atheists into the closet. stone space Dec 2016 #29

Just sayin'... dhill926 Dec 2016 #3

What are you talking about? n/t The Genealogist Dec 2016 #5

It's a constant theme of the right wing. rug Dec 2016 #6

So, not Atheists then. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #11

The OP is about Islamophobia not voting patterns. rug Dec 2016 #12

No, I'm aware of a tiny minority of athiests that are islamophobic. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #17

Where's your data for "tiny"? rug Dec 2016 #31

Actual atheists are still around 6% of the population. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #39

I really hope that the defeatism that I keep hearing from my fellow atheists is just a deflection. stone space Dec 2016 #41

I linked the survey upthread. It's repeated yearly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #49

Your claim is that of those 6%, only a "tiny" amount are Islamophobes. rug Dec 2016 #43

Given that the atheist population hasn't increased much since before Harris/Dawkins/Abedin AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #48

I see. There is no data. rug Dec 2016 #50

Yeah. I suggest you take it up with the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #52

No. I take it up with you and your assertion of "tiny". rug Dec 2016 #54

Please. Atheists (not agnostics and 'nones) are a tiny percentage of the population. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #55

Nothing you say worries me. rug Dec 2016 #57

I'm, as usual, waiting for an actual counter-argument from you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #58

And I'm, as usual, waiting for actual data from you. rug Dec 2016 #59

And as usual, I note your concern is much higher about my objection, than the content of the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #60

For good reason. rug Dec 2016 #62

In this case, I'll throw you a bone now that I see how you misinterpreted the OP. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #64

That is an interesting article. rug Dec 2016 #66

Let's assume every atheist is an Islamophobe. Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #53

I wouldn't. rug Dec 2016 #56

Well, I don't think I have a clue what the OP is about, Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #61

Stone doesn't specify WITHIN new atheists. That's your qualifier, not the OP's. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #63

"newfangled atheists' normalization" does. rug Dec 2016 #67

Pretty sure stone is not talking about normalization within their own population, and scanning AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #70

Ayn Rand has had considerable influence okasha Dec 2016 #84

Ah, a 'no true scotsman' fallacy appears. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #86

Wrong. Unsuccessful attempt at diversion. okasha Dec 2016 #87

Trump has publicly claimed on multiple occasions to be a christian. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #89

LOL. "Two Corinthians-" okasha Dec 2016 #94

Doesn't matter. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #98

Not talking about "ideals." okasha Dec 2016 #100

Doesn't eliminate one's claim to be a christian. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #105

Also, that's not true. There are Tea Party members of the Episcoplian, Protestant, MCC, etc AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #90

Tea Party members of the MCC? okasha Dec 2016 #95

Never suggested they support said principles. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #97

No single church, okasha Dec 2016 #101

Do we really need to remind people again who voted for the Islamophobe in 2016? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #9

Perhaps you need to be reminded who are the Islamophobes. rug Dec 2016 #13

Perhaps you need to read the OP again - this is about politics muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #14

"The newfangled atheists' normalization of Islamophobia" rug Dec 2016 #15

And everyone apart from you thinks it makes no sense muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #18

That's a particularly grandiose argumentum ad populum you're using there. rug Dec 2016 #19

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Don't swoon on me, muriel. rug Dec 2016 #22

You're completely wrong here Lordquinton Dec 2016 #47

Ah, I remember the good old days when cbayer and starboard tack used to sit around and pretend AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #51

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