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guillaumeb

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18. Let me clarify:

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:56 PM

Jan 2017

You referenced my paragraph as your beginning. What I was referring to is a belief among Christians and other believers that there are many paths to God, and many paths to a good life.

The rejection of all other paths is part of the quotation from C.S. Lewis and is so identified by the block quotation and the reference below. Your argument would be with C.S. Lewis because he was the one who said that as an atheist, he felt he had to reject all belief in a deity.

And I would say that some atheists apparently feel a need to use mockery as a tool when speaking of believers. My argument here is regarding intolerance, and how intolerance is expressed. In my view, there is no difference between an intolerant believer and an intolerant atheist.

As to atheism and a world view, I would think that each individual atheist approaches this in a different way.

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Today's sermon is on intolerance: [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2017 OP

Sermon? Iggo Jan 2017 #1

Remember to put something in the collection basket on your way out. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #2

C.S. Lewis is not a typical Catholic, or liberal either Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #14

I agree with most of what you said. However.......... guillaumeb Jan 2017 #17

As long as they follow "God," .... Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #30

He was Anglican not Catholic. rug Jan 2017 #21

I think like many Anglicans, he meant back and forth. Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #25

He was raised in the Church of Ireland, became an agnostic, then came back to the Church of England. rug Jan 2017 #27

So, a Lincoln, not a Ford. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #26

A fair analogy. rug Jan 2017 #29

careful masmdu Jan 2017 #3

As I wrote, some atheists have a problem with the word belief. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #4

Yes, I saw you wrote that but that doesn't make it so... masmdu Jan 2017 #6

The "a" at the beginning of the word Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #7

sometimes people just can't understand EvilAL Jan 2017 #41

The question is not well-formed. rug Jan 2017 #95

As long as you keep pretending that is true AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #28

I haven't seen much... tonedevil Jan 2017 #5

So when I wrote: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #9

Its a truism that converts tend to be more dogmatic okasha Jan 2017 #40

define:intolerance muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #8

I said that there can be many paths to a good life. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #10

Is not believing... tonedevil Jan 2017 #11

Atheism IS a way of approaching existence. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #12

So not believing... tonedevil Jan 2017 #13

The answer to that is simple: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #16

I have no... tonedevil Jan 2017 #24

If it works for you that makes it your path. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #35

There are atheists who believe there is an afterlife. Mariana Jan 2017 #23

A nice clarification. Having heaven without a deity? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #36

More false equivalence. I'd hope for better from you. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #31

Then you are open. A good thing. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #37

I've yet to meet an ahteist that isn't open to the possibility. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #38

What constitutes evidence? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #39

It can be a NYT bestseller and a 100+million dollar movie. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #45

There is no arguing with a NYT bestseller AND a big budget movie. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #49

But they wouldn't be made out of unobtanium. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #50

You said: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #15

Let me clarify: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #18

Lewis talked about belief in a deity; you added the "good life" bit yourself muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #19

We have different opinions as to what intolerance is. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #20

If you 'rephrase' my statement, it becomes yours, not mine muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #22

I will confess that I have not as yet looked at the 1:28 clip. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #33

Well done, muriel. n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #43

You are definitely misrepresenting Muriel's point. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #46

Speaking for all atheists HassleCat Jan 2017 #32

On this we agree. Separation of CHurch and State is a Constitutional guillaumeb Jan 2017 #34

It's great you are here to tell atheists that the problem is with their "belief system." trotsky Jan 2017 #42

It's great to see you give up meta for the new year. rug Jan 2017 #44

At least this time I was not accused of attempting to define Christianity. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #48

These stale attacks remind me of vaudevillians two years after motion pictures. rug Jan 2017 #55

When one only has one trick, it is necessary to repeat that trick endlessly. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #58

You have certainly... tonedevil Jan 2017 #75

Excellent repeated use of smilies and other related emoticons. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #47

Thanks! trotsky Jan 2017 #51

A double emoticon usage. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #57

Yeah! trotsky Jan 2017 #66

I was hoping for a triple. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #68

I give you what you want. trotsky Jan 2017 #71

Every believer is an ex-athiest. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #54

If most humans are theists, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #59

Specifically, christianity is the statistical norm in the US. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #60

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #61

I would inject the word 'some' before 'humans' there. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #62

Agreed. I should have added the qualifier. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #63

Crocodile tears. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #52

This must not apply to the Christians who believe 1965Comet Jan 2017 #53

Welcome to DU 1965 Comet guillaumeb Jan 2017 #56

If you were just posting a truism, 1965Comet Jan 2017 #64

As a balance to all of the posts that point out intolerance by believers. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #65

Yeah, because it's the Religion group. trotsky Jan 2017 #79

So when somethign is posted under the heading Religion (Group) guillaumeb Jan 2017 #81

More importantly, it means that one can post something negative about religion... trotsky Jan 2017 #84

So correct me if I'm wrong... trotsky Jan 2017 #67

Not wrong. But my focus is a bit different. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #69

What we CAN and SHOULD discuss, most particularly here in the RELIGION group... trotsky Jan 2017 #70

Apparently I was not clear enough. So let me repeat: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #72

You said intolerance should be pointed out - but only under the conditions that you prefer. trotsky Jan 2017 #73

Again, you are adding your own commentary to what I said and trying to pass guillaumeb Jan 2017 #74

What "struck a nerve" was your insistence on defining atheism as a belief system. trotsky Jan 2017 #76

I do understand. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #77

So you're no longer going to classify atheism as a belief system? n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #78

I simply meant that I understand your point. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #80

My "belief" is that I don't accept the claim of theists like yourself that a god exists. trotsky Jan 2017 #82

Multiple atheists engaging in the "no true Scotsman" argument? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #83

First, educate yourself about what "No True Scotsman" actually means. trotsky Jan 2017 #85

It's a tautology... tonedevil Jan 2017 #87

Or discuss music with the tone deaf? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #89

The opportunity for discussion... tonedevil Jan 2017 #92

Belief isn't a bad word... tonedevil Jan 2017 #86

If you read my post, you would not have asked this question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #90

Can you find any examples of atheists describing atheism as a 'belief system'? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #88

I can, but I will save this for a future post. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #91

Yes, of course you will. trotsky Jan 2017 #97

I realize that it is difficult, but you will have to wait. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #99

"Our belief is not a belief." rug Jan 2017 #93

A contradiction, that, out of context, tells us nothing muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #94

This quote is large enough anyone can see it is not taken out of context. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #108

Ah, context. Are you the first one to jump up when believers demand context? rug Jan 2017 #118

He was speaking, and I think he made an error. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #122

How about you spare us the self-indulgent moralizing and just tell us how you want us to behave? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #96

Self-indulgent moralizing? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #98

It's a very simple question. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #100

I have no idea. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #101

Are atheists allowed to criticize and find fault with the views of others? n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #103

As long as they are self-critical as well. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #105

And you have established yourself as the judge of whether "they" are self-critical, I presume? trotsky Jan 2017 #109

You are welcome, but once again you insert what you feel must/should? be included guillaumeb Jan 2017 #111

Which is why I formed it as a question. trotsky Jan 2017 #113

How would that look in practice? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #106

Allow me to break down your question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #107

Vagaries make your position no clearer. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #110

But if I did it that would deprive people of the satisfaction guillaumeb Jan 2017 #112

Translation: trotsky Jan 2017 #114

Scroll back to the top, reread the original post, and save me the trouble of cutting guillaumeb Jan 2017 #116

What you've already said is quite clear. There's no need for me to read it again. trotsky Jan 2017 #120

Again, stating as my opinion what you "feel" should be my opinion. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #121

No, as I said, you couldn't have made it any clearer. trotsky Jan 2017 #123

Careful, now. Your bullshit is starting to show. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #115

I thought I was quite clear. But see my reply 116 if more is needed. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #117

You thought wrong. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #119

"...be the change you wish to see." trotsky Jan 2017 #102

Glad you liked it. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #104