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trotsky

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71. I give you what you want.

Wed Jan 4, 2017, 03:41 PM

Jan 2017

Too bad you won't give me what I want. A retraction of your false claims about me, and an apology.

Instead you just keep making it personal, so that's what you are getting in return.

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Today's sermon is on intolerance: [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2017 OP

Sermon? Iggo Jan 2017 #1

Remember to put something in the collection basket on your way out. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #2

C.S. Lewis is not a typical Catholic, or liberal either Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #14

I agree with most of what you said. However.......... guillaumeb Jan 2017 #17

As long as they follow "God," .... Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #30

He was Anglican not Catholic. rug Jan 2017 #21

I think like many Anglicans, he meant back and forth. Bretton Garcia Jan 2017 #25

He was raised in the Church of Ireland, became an agnostic, then came back to the Church of England. rug Jan 2017 #27

So, a Lincoln, not a Ford. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #26

A fair analogy. rug Jan 2017 #29

careful masmdu Jan 2017 #3

As I wrote, some atheists have a problem with the word belief. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #4

Yes, I saw you wrote that but that doesn't make it so... masmdu Jan 2017 #6

The "a" at the beginning of the word Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #7

sometimes people just can't understand EvilAL Jan 2017 #41

The question is not well-formed. rug Jan 2017 #95

As long as you keep pretending that is true AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #28

I haven't seen much... tonedevil Jan 2017 #5

So when I wrote: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #9

Its a truism that converts tend to be more dogmatic okasha Jan 2017 #40

define:intolerance muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #8

I said that there can be many paths to a good life. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #10

Is not believing... tonedevil Jan 2017 #11

Atheism IS a way of approaching existence. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #12

So not believing... tonedevil Jan 2017 #13

The answer to that is simple: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #16

I have no... tonedevil Jan 2017 #24

If it works for you that makes it your path. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #35

There are atheists who believe there is an afterlife. Mariana Jan 2017 #23

A nice clarification. Having heaven without a deity? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #36

More false equivalence. I'd hope for better from you. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #31

Then you are open. A good thing. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #37

I've yet to meet an ahteist that isn't open to the possibility. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #38

What constitutes evidence? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #39

It can be a NYT bestseller and a 100+million dollar movie. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #45

There is no arguing with a NYT bestseller AND a big budget movie. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #49

But they wouldn't be made out of unobtanium. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #50

You said: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #15

Let me clarify: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #18

Lewis talked about belief in a deity; you added the "good life" bit yourself muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #19

We have different opinions as to what intolerance is. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #20

If you 'rephrase' my statement, it becomes yours, not mine muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #22

I will confess that I have not as yet looked at the 1:28 clip. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #33

Well done, muriel. n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #43

You are definitely misrepresenting Muriel's point. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #46

Speaking for all atheists HassleCat Jan 2017 #32

On this we agree. Separation of CHurch and State is a Constitutional guillaumeb Jan 2017 #34

It's great you are here to tell atheists that the problem is with their "belief system." trotsky Jan 2017 #42

It's great to see you give up meta for the new year. rug Jan 2017 #44

At least this time I was not accused of attempting to define Christianity. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #48

These stale attacks remind me of vaudevillians two years after motion pictures. rug Jan 2017 #55

When one only has one trick, it is necessary to repeat that trick endlessly. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #58

You have certainly... tonedevil Jan 2017 #75

Excellent repeated use of smilies and other related emoticons. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #47

Thanks! trotsky Jan 2017 #51

A double emoticon usage. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #57

Yeah! trotsky Jan 2017 #66

I was hoping for a triple. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #68

I give you what you want. trotsky Jan 2017 #71

Every believer is an ex-athiest. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #54

If most humans are theists, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #59

Specifically, christianity is the statistical norm in the US. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #60

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #61

I would inject the word 'some' before 'humans' there. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #62

Agreed. I should have added the qualifier. eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #63

Crocodile tears. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #52

This must not apply to the Christians who believe 1965Comet Jan 2017 #53

Welcome to DU 1965 Comet guillaumeb Jan 2017 #56

If you were just posting a truism, 1965Comet Jan 2017 #64

As a balance to all of the posts that point out intolerance by believers. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #65

Yeah, because it's the Religion group. trotsky Jan 2017 #79

So when somethign is posted under the heading Religion (Group) guillaumeb Jan 2017 #81

More importantly, it means that one can post something negative about religion... trotsky Jan 2017 #84

So correct me if I'm wrong... trotsky Jan 2017 #67

Not wrong. But my focus is a bit different. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #69

What we CAN and SHOULD discuss, most particularly here in the RELIGION group... trotsky Jan 2017 #70

Apparently I was not clear enough. So let me repeat: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #72

You said intolerance should be pointed out - but only under the conditions that you prefer. trotsky Jan 2017 #73

Again, you are adding your own commentary to what I said and trying to pass guillaumeb Jan 2017 #74

What "struck a nerve" was your insistence on defining atheism as a belief system. trotsky Jan 2017 #76

I do understand. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #77

So you're no longer going to classify atheism as a belief system? n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #78

I simply meant that I understand your point. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #80

My "belief" is that I don't accept the claim of theists like yourself that a god exists. trotsky Jan 2017 #82

Multiple atheists engaging in the "no true Scotsman" argument? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #83

First, educate yourself about what "No True Scotsman" actually means. trotsky Jan 2017 #85

It's a tautology... tonedevil Jan 2017 #87

Or discuss music with the tone deaf? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #89

The opportunity for discussion... tonedevil Jan 2017 #92

Belief isn't a bad word... tonedevil Jan 2017 #86

If you read my post, you would not have asked this question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #90

Can you find any examples of atheists describing atheism as a 'belief system'? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #88

I can, but I will save this for a future post. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #91

Yes, of course you will. trotsky Jan 2017 #97

I realize that it is difficult, but you will have to wait. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #99

"Our belief is not a belief." rug Jan 2017 #93

A contradiction, that, out of context, tells us nothing muriel_volestrangler Jan 2017 #94

This quote is large enough anyone can see it is not taken out of context. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #108

Ah, context. Are you the first one to jump up when believers demand context? rug Jan 2017 #118

He was speaking, and I think he made an error. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #122

How about you spare us the self-indulgent moralizing and just tell us how you want us to behave? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #96

Self-indulgent moralizing? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #98

It's a very simple question. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #100

I have no idea. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #101

Are atheists allowed to criticize and find fault with the views of others? n/t trotsky Jan 2017 #103

As long as they are self-critical as well. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #105

And you have established yourself as the judge of whether "they" are self-critical, I presume? trotsky Jan 2017 #109

You are welcome, but once again you insert what you feel must/should? be included guillaumeb Jan 2017 #111

Which is why I formed it as a question. trotsky Jan 2017 #113

How would that look in practice? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #106

Allow me to break down your question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #107

Vagaries make your position no clearer. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #110

But if I did it that would deprive people of the satisfaction guillaumeb Jan 2017 #112

Translation: trotsky Jan 2017 #114

Scroll back to the top, reread the original post, and save me the trouble of cutting guillaumeb Jan 2017 #116

What you've already said is quite clear. There's no need for me to read it again. trotsky Jan 2017 #120

Again, stating as my opinion what you "feel" should be my opinion. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #121

No, as I said, you couldn't have made it any clearer. trotsky Jan 2017 #123

Careful, now. Your bullshit is starting to show. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #115

I thought I was quite clear. But see my reply 116 if more is needed. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #117

You thought wrong. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2017 #119

"...be the change you wish to see." trotsky Jan 2017 #102

Glad you liked it. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #104