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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
23. I appreciate your thoughtful response here and agree with some of it.
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:06 PM
May 2012

Here's the thing. If someone told me they believed in *whatever*, I would ask them about it or do some research to find out more about it.

I recently had this experience with wiccans. While it doesn't speak to me at all, I understood a lot more about them after some investigation.

The OP here, as far as I can tell, was meant only to conflate all believers into a category called "wackos". (Side note: It fits at least 5 of the "logical fallacies" recently posted by another member, imo.) There is a school of thought here, held by a small, but vocal, number of members, that religious people will react in a very specific way to this. In fact, there is a whole set of such beliefs about religious people. Pretty much the same language is repeatedly used to proclaim these beliefs about other members. Those "truths" are maintained despite evidence to the contrary.

If you find the word "dogmatic" to not fit you, then feel free to reject it. If you find it pejorative, then I will withdraw it as insulting.

But I sure would like to see someone like yourself ask more questions and make less assumptions about large groups of people. I've been doing that with atheists and have learned a lot.

One last thing, because I know what is coming here (not from you, btw). Calling a group of legislators dumbasses for passing a bill that would make creationism a science to be taught in public schools is not the same thing as calling all fundamentalists dumbasses. Calling a group of people whose belief system includes the sacrifice of children wackos is not the same thing as calling all believers wackos.

That is, calling a specific group of individuals something because of a specific action is quite different than generalizing that to all who share something with them. There are some here who don't see the difference and are obsessed with trying to make it the same thing.

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No. Should I? Nt xchrom May 2012 #1
Yes. OK, I am kidding, sort of. But I suspect most people would. raccoon May 2012 #3
No. I don't want anyone questioning my beliefs. I return the favor. sarge43 May 2012 #2
And I wish to question edhopper May 2012 #7
And that accomplished what? sarge43 May 2012 #14
Seeking the truth, edhopper May 2012 #20
"Belief system". That's such an odd phrase to me. deucemagnet May 2012 #35
To get both truthful and useful answers, it may be better to ask dmallind May 2012 #4
Well said. If possible I'll edit the OP. nt raccoon May 2012 #6
No, not just because of something like that. LeftishBrit May 2012 #5
Nope not at all azurnoir May 2012 #8
My friend believes some LASlibinSC May 2012 #9
That's side stepping the question Silent3 May 2012 #13
I'm scratching my head wondering why you would come to the religion group and cbayer May 2012 #10
There's a broad spectrum of "wacko"... Silent3 May 2012 #11
My daughter just got engaged to a Muslim. cbayer May 2012 #12
Look at the comments here about Mormonism and Scientology Goblinmonger May 2012 #15
Islam is a mainstream religion Silent3 May 2012 #16
I understand the word just fine and chose it very specifically. Thanks. cbayer May 2012 #17
Experienced Silent3 May 2012 #18
I appreciate your thoughtful response here and agree with some of it. cbayer May 2012 #23
You've been working on a way skepticscott May 2012 #25
And we have a winner! skepticscott May 2012 #24
"shows that you're upset by what I've said and looking an ugly word to lash out with" trotsky May 2012 #19
You only agree with me because you're one of those "militant" atheists! Silent3 May 2012 #21
Guilty as charged, of course. trotsky May 2012 #22
Isn't it cute how "dogma" switches back and forth between being a good thing and a bad thing? 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #26
Umm...Islam worships the same Abrahamic god as Christianity... laconicsax May 2012 #27
So what. The god that he speaks of is very different than the ones I have been exposed to. cbayer May 2012 #28
It seems that according to you, you alone get to define God laconicsax May 2012 #29
No, I only get to define god for myself, not for anyone else. cbayer May 2012 #30
Sorry, believing that people can have different views of the same god isn't closed-minded laconicsax May 2012 #31
I didn't categorically reject anything. I am fascinated with his beliefs. cbayer May 2012 #32
And underneath it all, that's the point skepticscott May 2012 #34
History teaches us that the Christians ground them up to make lime for cement. dimbear May 2012 #33
Are you talking about American media and authorities, or more generally? GliderGuider May 2012 #36
Such people do exist, Google Hellenic Neo-Paganism. Odin2005 May 2012 #37
Not really so different from Hinduism, MineralMan May 2012 #38
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