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Bretton Garcia

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62. Science and technology definitely are fantastically useful
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 03:05 PM
Feb 2017

Religions on the other hand? In their own spiritual sphere? Are hugely vain; they claim to be "perfect" and "holy." But that is the spirit of ... Vanity.

Specific example? As others note, you yourself or believers in general, use the notion that things asserted with "faith," need no defense or explanation or proof. But this, we note, again caters to Pride. Since believers arrogantly assert they don't have to prove the things that claim God - and yourselves - claim. Since thanks to to rules of "faith," your beliefs are above criticism. Beyond - "above" - proof. Or disproof.

So? If we evaluate faith-based, spiritual religion, even in its own separate sphere or "magisterium," we find that it fails, even there. Even by its own, say "spiritual" standards. Even the vaunted spirit of "faith," is a false spirit. It is actually the spirit of arrogance, given a new name; a new alias or disguise.

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I'm a strong believer in Christianity, IndianaDave Feb 2017 #1
Wish more were like you, but I have had some really upsetting experiences with believers. manicraven Feb 2017 #4
I know I don't have the right to speak for all Christians IndianaDave Feb 2017 #8
Thank you! I'm a heathen now, for want of a better word. Some of my closest friends are not. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #76
I don't believe there can be "former" atheists unless someone finally found testable proof manicraven Feb 2017 #2
People don't believe for many reasons. rug Feb 2017 #5
I've been thinking, and although I know a whole bunch of Christians, IndianaDave Feb 2017 #9
Skeptics tend to be reality-driven. That we have in common. Girard442 Feb 2017 #3
The Arrogance of Theists J_William_Ryan Feb 2017 #6
That statement, without qualification, is itself arrogant. rug Feb 2017 #7
Again with the belief-phobia!! guillaumeb Feb 2017 #10
I know for sure as a fact, and not mere "belief." Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #11
You are interpreting the Bible and demanding that the Creator guillaumeb Feb 2017 #12
A few books by Woodbridge Goodman... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #17
The books, which I have not read, might correspond to your guillaumeb Feb 2017 #18
Here's the dictionary definition of belief Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #21
I separate science from faith. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #22
To say religion and atheism, or anti-theism, are all faith-based "beliefs," is an evil sophistry Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #23
If I had said what you claim I would agree with you. But I did not. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #24
You've allowed that some beliefs are more credible than others? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #25
Any believer defines what they believe. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #29
But not all opinions are equal? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #34
Why do you say that? eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #36
#20: "not all beliefs are equal." Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #38
What I said in, in part, that post: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #39
If some beliefs seem better than others... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #41
I think your response goes to the meaning of belief. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #43
But there are "false spirits" Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #44
Again, your question goes to interpretation. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #45
But you acknowledged that not all beliefs ... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #46
I said that some religious beliefs apparently conflict with science. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #47
So when the Bible says "test the spirits"? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #48
"So we are left with two opposite and equally unprovable beliefs." 1965Comet Feb 2017 #28
The key word is "could". guillaumeb Feb 2017 #31
But in 1Kings 18.20-40, God says he will prove himself Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #33
No I will not. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #35
So offer a metaphorical reading. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #37
Do you think there is any circumstance... tonedevil Feb 2017 #13
If we define belief literally as "believing in the truth of something", guillaumeb Feb 2017 #14
I can't imagine... tonedevil Feb 2017 #15
Semantics. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #16
You have pretty well... tonedevil Feb 2017 #19
Not my intention. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #20
Isn't there a third way here: 1965Comet Feb 2017 #27
But that would take all the mystery out of it. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #30
The tourists are all a bunch of religious nuts anyway! ;) 1965Comet Feb 2017 #32
Sorry edhopper Feb 2017 #40
If: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #42
I don't believe there is no creator edhopper Feb 2017 #49
Semantics. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #50
belief can be used in many ways, but n this context yes. edhopper Feb 2017 #51
So, acknowledgment of a fact, any fact, is simply a "belief"? sammythecat Feb 2017 #52
Knlowledge is not equivalent to belief. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #53
The creator is testable in 1 Kings 18.20-40; Mal. 3.10; Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #54
Define what was meant by science. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #55
Early on, Daniel describes roughly, an early form Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #56
Farmers also experimented with seeds, and probably with animals. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #57
Roots of Science: Early Agriculture Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #58
In the fields where science fills a need, science is used. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #59
But faith is inferior to knowledge. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #60
There is no ranking of faith and knowledge. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #61
Science and technology definitely are fantastically useful Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #62
Your attempted framing of what believers in general assert is interesting, the straw, shall we say, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #63
Faith says it is true, but asserts it does not need to prove its claims Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #64
Faith says that the believer believes that it is true. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #65
Faith is more humble, when it calls itself uncertain Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #66
I feel that all beliefs should be respected. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #67
So faith often Trumps or displaces science? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #68
Was this comment addressed correctly? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #69
Maybe not. Took #67 as sarcasm. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #70
No. I meant for it to be taken as my opinion. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #71
Many demand faith privileges Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #72
No argument on numbers 1-6. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #73
You may be an enabler for bad religion Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #74
People also use scientific knowledge to do terrible things. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #75
Their motives, or former religious philosophies Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #82
I JUST DON'T KNOW. That is not a belief. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #77
Uncertainty is understandable. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #78
I have no faith-based belief. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #79
DO you have any beliefs? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #81
Its too bad Gonzalez didn't give us specific references. Jim__ Feb 2017 #26
When I was born, I didn't believe in a supernatural superior power of any kind.... Tikki Feb 2017 #80
I've noticed that for a lot of Christian "converts", they think being angry at God, or not being... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #83
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