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guillaumeb

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73. No argument on numbers 1-6.

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:32 PM

Feb 2017

As to 7, faith in itself demands nothing except that a person believe in the message.

And belief, whether religious or political, often asserts special privileges. A very human attribute.

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Dear Former Atheists, We Are Not The Same: [View all] rug Feb 2017 OP

I'm a strong believer in Christianity, IndianaDave Feb 2017 #1

Wish more were like you, but I have had some really upsetting experiences with believers. manicraven Feb 2017 #4

I know I don't have the right to speak for all Christians IndianaDave Feb 2017 #8

Thank you! I'm a heathen now, for want of a better word. Some of my closest friends are not. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #76

I don't believe there can be "former" atheists unless someone finally found testable proof manicraven Feb 2017 #2

People don't believe for many reasons. rug Feb 2017 #5

I've been thinking, and although I know a whole bunch of Christians, IndianaDave Feb 2017 #9

Skeptics tend to be reality-driven. That we have in common. Girard442 Feb 2017 #3

The Arrogance of Theists J_William_Ryan Feb 2017 #6

That statement, without qualification, is itself arrogant. rug Feb 2017 #7

Again with the belief-phobia!! guillaumeb Feb 2017 #10

I know for sure as a fact, and not mere "belief." Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #11

You are interpreting the Bible and demanding that the Creator guillaumeb Feb 2017 #12

A few books by Woodbridge Goodman... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #17

The books, which I have not read, might correspond to your guillaumeb Feb 2017 #18

Here's the dictionary definition of belief Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #21

I separate science from faith. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #22

To say religion and atheism, or anti-theism, are all faith-based "beliefs," is an evil sophistry Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #23

If I had said what you claim I would agree with you. But I did not. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #24

You've allowed that some beliefs are more credible than others? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #25

Any believer defines what they believe. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #29

But not all opinions are equal? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #34

Why do you say that? eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #36

#20: "not all beliefs are equal." Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #38

What I said in, in part, that post: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #39

If some beliefs seem better than others... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #41

I think your response goes to the meaning of belief. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #43

But there are "false spirits" Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #44

Again, your question goes to interpretation. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #45

But you acknowledged that not all beliefs ... Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #46

I said that some religious beliefs apparently conflict with science. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #47

So when the Bible says "test the spirits"? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #48

"So we are left with two opposite and equally unprovable beliefs." 1965Comet Feb 2017 #28

The key word is "could". guillaumeb Feb 2017 #31

But in 1Kings 18.20-40, God says he will prove himself Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #33

No I will not. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #35

So offer a metaphorical reading. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #37

Do you think there is any circumstance... tonedevil Feb 2017 #13

If we define belief literally as "believing in the truth of something", guillaumeb Feb 2017 #14

I can't imagine... tonedevil Feb 2017 #15

Semantics. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #16

You have pretty well... tonedevil Feb 2017 #19

Not my intention. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #20

Isn't there a third way here: 1965Comet Feb 2017 #27

But that would take all the mystery out of it. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #30

The tourists are all a bunch of religious nuts anyway! ;) 1965Comet Feb 2017 #32

Sorry edhopper Feb 2017 #40

If: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #42

I don't believe there is no creator edhopper Feb 2017 #49

Semantics. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #50

belief can be used in many ways, but n this context yes. edhopper Feb 2017 #51

So, acknowledgment of a fact, any fact, is simply a "belief"? sammythecat Feb 2017 #52

Knlowledge is not equivalent to belief. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #53

The creator is testable in 1 Kings 18.20-40; Mal. 3.10; Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #54

Define what was meant by science. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #55

Early on, Daniel describes roughly, an early form Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #56

Farmers also experimented with seeds, and probably with animals. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #57

Roots of Science: Early Agriculture Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #58

In the fields where science fills a need, science is used. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #59

But faith is inferior to knowledge. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #60

There is no ranking of faith and knowledge. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #61

Science and technology definitely are fantastically useful Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #62

Your attempted framing of what believers in general assert is interesting, the straw, shall we say, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #63

Faith says it is true, but asserts it does not need to prove its claims Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #64

Faith says that the believer believes that it is true. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #65

Faith is more humble, when it calls itself uncertain Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #66

I feel that all beliefs should be respected. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #67

So faith often Trumps or displaces science? Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #68

Was this comment addressed correctly? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #69

Maybe not. Took #67 as sarcasm. Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #70

No. I meant for it to be taken as my opinion. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #71

Many demand faith privileges Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #72

No argument on numbers 1-6. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #73

You may be an enabler for bad religion Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #74

People also use scientific knowledge to do terrible things. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #75

Their motives, or former religious philosophies Bretton Garcia Feb 2017 #82

I JUST DON'T KNOW. That is not a belief. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #77

Uncertainty is understandable. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #78

I have no faith-based belief. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #79

DO you have any beliefs? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #81

Its too bad Gonzalez didn't give us specific references. Jim__ Feb 2017 #26

When I was born, I didn't believe in a supernatural superior power of any kind.... Tikki Feb 2017 #80

I've noticed that for a lot of Christian "converts", they think being angry at God, or not being... Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #83