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Meshuga

(6,182 posts)
4. I could be wrong but...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 08:50 AM
Mar 2017

I believe that appeal to religion here is futile. The moral foundations of liberals and conservatives are very different and it is easy for conservatives to dismiss the liberal moral foundations as it is easy for liberals to do the same about conservative morality.

Let's reverse things and have a conservative group of religious people try to appeal religiously to liberal believers and we will see that it won't work either. For example, would a campaign from religious conservatives to change the religiously liberal's hearts on "virtues of chastity" or what they call "control of desires" work? What about "social order" and "proper role fulfillment" that are so important to conservative morality? Would appeals to that work to reach out to liberals? The answer is no.

In other words, I can see how the liberal religion leaders appeal to fairness, compassion, social justice, equality, etc. to change a conservative politician's mind will NOT work.

Religion empowers people to derive their morals from it, be it respect for authority, gender role, social order, etc. on one side or social justice, fairness, compassion, etc. on the other side. However, one important thing to note is that, without religion and scripture, you can easily defeat and eradicate the backward stuff that a Paul Ryan and other like-minded religious people can use to derive their values from.

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Question. trotsky Mar 2017 #1
The organizers of this group. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #2
So there is no disagreement in that group - ever? trotsky Mar 2017 #5
Clearly those bringing the group together. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #3
Obvious, but not fitting with the desired agenda. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #8
There are people here and we both know who they are who will find the worst in anything you hrmjustin Mar 2017 #9
Consider it a balance Lordquinton Mar 2017 #14
Oh yes, those people. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #20
I could be wrong but... Meshuga Mar 2017 #4
I don't think you're wrong. trotsky Mar 2017 #6
I agree, I also don't think they understand this. Meshuga Mar 2017 #10
You both made some very good points. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #11
That is the problem with making scripture holy Meshuga Mar 2017 #18
This is stating the obvious, however, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #7
While I agree that religion provides social organization Meshuga Mar 2017 #12
To your final point: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #13
Except we can point to section and verse Lordquinton Mar 2017 #15
Also true for silly things at a smaller scale Meshuga Mar 2017 #16
"by claiming it to be god's revelation" trotsky Mar 2017 #17
Yes, I agree with there being a huge difference Meshuga Mar 2017 #19
Interesting display of your mind reading skills, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #21
My post reading skills, you mean. trotsky Mar 2017 #22
Speaking of Prophetic Moral Visions AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #23
Anything to say about the work being done? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #24
Since words mean things, you lost me at 'Prophetic Moral Vision' in the headline. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #25
I understand where you are coming from on this. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #26
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