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Binkie The Clown

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6. Not Intelligence; Information.

Reply to uriel1972 (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 02:21 AM

Mar 2017

Consciousness has nothing to do with intelligence. Consciousness has to do with information.

As for consciousness, close your eyes and think real hard. "Now where can I detect an instance of consciousness?"

You really think consciousness leaves no trace of its existence? You really think so? You really think you own instance of consciousness left no trace of its existence in space-time as mass-energy when you posted this? Hmmmm. Interesting.

But you have just disproven your own objection by allowing your own instance of consciousness to impact the world of space-time and mass-energy when you posted this. Your consciousness imprinted information on space-time and my consciousness detected that imprint. I'd call that a trace. Odd that you can't detect it when it's right there in front of your nose.

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I am, therefore I think: Daniel Dennetts hard problem [View all] rug Mar 2017 OP

thanks edhopper Mar 2017 #1

I like him too. rug Mar 2017 #2

What I didn't like about his "Consciousness Explained" was... Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #3

If you make intelligence/consciousness... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #5

Not Intelligence; Information. Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #6

patterns of energy and matter... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #7

Patterns are not matter or energy. Patterns are not space or time. Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #9

Oh well... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #10

And... Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #11

You are asking me to provide evidence for matter and energy...? uriel1972 Mar 2017 #12

He may not have, but you can. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #13

And... Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #14

You can also alter a person, dramatically, without destroying them. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #15

"Personality" is not "consciousness". Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #16

I can alter a computer network by disconnecting various connections. Personality is not required, AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #17

"Consciousness is an attribute of certain arrangements of matter." is and axiom, Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #18

We can break consciousness by re-arranging the matter for starters. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #19

Artificial Intelligence is not Artificial Consciousness. Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #20

I did not conflate artificial intelligence and artifical consciouness. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #21

OK. Glad you clarified that. n/t Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #22

If the human brain hosts consciousness, in what other circumstances does consciousness exist? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2017 #23

I agree that it can be both interesting and informative to postulate that consciousness is ... Jim__ Mar 2017 #24

Well, Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #25

I definitely agree with Baggini's conclusion. Jim__ Mar 2017 #4

What a ridiculously melodramatic review. Ugh. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #8