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In reply to the discussion: Ha - Right-wing website argues Jesus didn't want to help the poor at all [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)46. I'll take logical fallacies for $500, Alex.
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No one claimed Hitchens was a nice guy let alone a 'high prophet' of atheism (which as any idiot knows has no prophets). Hitchens was a brilliant but mean drunk who was wrong on Iraq but right about Teresa.
The woman you hold up as a symbol of all that is good and pure was a vile, sadistic fraud who took millions in donations and squirrelled them away while reveling in the suffering and deaths of the poor, forced tens of thousands to convert, and once called Bosnian rape victims murderers because they sought abortions.
So who's the real poseur?
You don't like Hitchens' expose? How about researchers at the Universities of Montreal and Ottowa?:
Mother Teresa: anything but a saint...
The myth of altruism and generosity surrounding Mother Teresa is dispelled in a paper by Serge Larivée and Genevieve Chenard of University of Montreal's Department of Psychoeducation and Carole Sénéchal of the University of Ottawa's Faculty of Education. The paper will be published in the March issue of the journal Studies in Religion/Sciences religieuses and is an analysis of the published writings about Mother Teresa. Like the journalist and author Christopher Hitchens, who is amply quoted in their analysis, the researchers conclude that her hallowed imagewhich does not stand up to analysis of the factswas constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign.
While looking for documentation on the phenomenon of altruism for a seminar on ethics, one of us stumbled upon the life and work of one of Catholic Church's most celebrated woman and now part of our collective imaginationMother Teresawhose real name was Agnes Gonxha, says Professor Larivée, who led the research. The description was so ecstatic that it piqued our curiosity and pushed us to research further."
As a result, the three researchers collected 502 documents on the life and work of Mother Teresa. After eliminating 195 duplicates, they consulted 287 documents to conduct their analysis, representing 96% of the literature on the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity (OMC).
Facts debunk the myth of Mother Teresa
In their article, Serge Larivée and his colleagues also cite a number of problems not take into account by the Vatican in Mother Teresa's beatification process, such as "her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce."
The sick must suffer like Christ on the cross
At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of moneythe Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollarsbut rather a particular conception of suffering and death: There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens. Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital.
Questionable politics and shadowy accounting
Mother Teresa was generous with her prayers but rather miserly with her foundation's millions when it came to humanity's suffering. During numerous floods in India or following the explosion of a pesticide plant in Bhopal, she offered numerous prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid. On the other hand, she had no qualms about accepting the Legion of Honour and a grant from the Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti. Millions of dollars were transferred to the MCO's various bank accounts, but most of the accounts were kept secret, Larivée says. Given the parsimonious management of Mother Theresa's works, one may ask where the millions of dollars for the poorest of the poor have gone?
The grand media plan for holiness
Despite these disturbing facts, how did Mother Teresa succeed in building an image of holiness and infinite goodness? According to the three researchers, her meeting in London in 1968 with the BBC's Malcom Muggeridge, an anti-abortion journalist who shared her right-wing Catholic values, was crucial. Muggeridge decided to promote Teresa, who consequently discovered the power of mass media. In 1969, he made a eulogistic film of the missionary, promoting her by attributing to her the first photographic miracle," when it should have been attributed to the new film stock being marketed by Kodak. Afterwards, Mother Teresa travelled throughout the world and received numerous awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize. In her acceptance speech, on the subject of Bosnian women who were raped by Serbs and now sought abortion, she said: I feel the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a direct war, a direct killingdirect murder by the mother herself.
Following her death, the Vatican decided to waive the usual five-year waiting period to open the beatification process. The miracle attributed to Mother Theresa was the healing of a woman, Monica Besra, who had been suffering from intense abdominal pain. The woman testified that she was cured after a medallion blessed by Mother Theresa was placed on her abdomen. Her doctors thought otherwise: the ovarian cyst and the tuberculosis from which she suffered were healed by the drugs they had given her. The Vatican, nevertheless, concluded that it was a miracle. Mother Teresa's popularity was such that she had become untouchable for the population, which had already declared her a saint. What could be better than beatification followed by canonization of this model to revitalize the Church and inspire the faithful especially at a time when churches are empty and the Roman authority is in decline? Larivée and his colleagues ask.
http://nouvelles.umontreal.ca/en/article/2013/03/01/mother-teresa-anything-but-a-saint/
The myth of altruism and generosity surrounding Mother Teresa is dispelled in a paper by Serge Larivée and Genevieve Chenard of University of Montreal's Department of Psychoeducation and Carole Sénéchal of the University of Ottawa's Faculty of Education. The paper will be published in the March issue of the journal Studies in Religion/Sciences religieuses and is an analysis of the published writings about Mother Teresa. Like the journalist and author Christopher Hitchens, who is amply quoted in their analysis, the researchers conclude that her hallowed imagewhich does not stand up to analysis of the factswas constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign.
While looking for documentation on the phenomenon of altruism for a seminar on ethics, one of us stumbled upon the life and work of one of Catholic Church's most celebrated woman and now part of our collective imaginationMother Teresawhose real name was Agnes Gonxha, says Professor Larivée, who led the research. The description was so ecstatic that it piqued our curiosity and pushed us to research further."
As a result, the three researchers collected 502 documents on the life and work of Mother Teresa. After eliminating 195 duplicates, they consulted 287 documents to conduct their analysis, representing 96% of the literature on the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity (OMC).
Facts debunk the myth of Mother Teresa
In their article, Serge Larivée and his colleagues also cite a number of problems not take into account by the Vatican in Mother Teresa's beatification process, such as "her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce."
The sick must suffer like Christ on the cross
At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of moneythe Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollarsbut rather a particular conception of suffering and death: There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens. Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital.
Questionable politics and shadowy accounting
Mother Teresa was generous with her prayers but rather miserly with her foundation's millions when it came to humanity's suffering. During numerous floods in India or following the explosion of a pesticide plant in Bhopal, she offered numerous prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid. On the other hand, she had no qualms about accepting the Legion of Honour and a grant from the Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti. Millions of dollars were transferred to the MCO's various bank accounts, but most of the accounts were kept secret, Larivée says. Given the parsimonious management of Mother Theresa's works, one may ask where the millions of dollars for the poorest of the poor have gone?
The grand media plan for holiness
Despite these disturbing facts, how did Mother Teresa succeed in building an image of holiness and infinite goodness? According to the three researchers, her meeting in London in 1968 with the BBC's Malcom Muggeridge, an anti-abortion journalist who shared her right-wing Catholic values, was crucial. Muggeridge decided to promote Teresa, who consequently discovered the power of mass media. In 1969, he made a eulogistic film of the missionary, promoting her by attributing to her the first photographic miracle," when it should have been attributed to the new film stock being marketed by Kodak. Afterwards, Mother Teresa travelled throughout the world and received numerous awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize. In her acceptance speech, on the subject of Bosnian women who were raped by Serbs and now sought abortion, she said: I feel the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a direct war, a direct killingdirect murder by the mother herself.
Following her death, the Vatican decided to waive the usual five-year waiting period to open the beatification process. The miracle attributed to Mother Theresa was the healing of a woman, Monica Besra, who had been suffering from intense abdominal pain. The woman testified that she was cured after a medallion blessed by Mother Theresa was placed on her abdomen. Her doctors thought otherwise: the ovarian cyst and the tuberculosis from which she suffered were healed by the drugs they had given her. The Vatican, nevertheless, concluded that it was a miracle. Mother Teresa's popularity was such that she had become untouchable for the population, which had already declared her a saint. What could be better than beatification followed by canonization of this model to revitalize the Church and inspire the faithful especially at a time when churches are empty and the Roman authority is in decline? Larivée and his colleagues ask.
http://nouvelles.umontreal.ca/en/article/2013/03/01/mother-teresa-anything-but-a-saint/
What a despicable human being.
And your church made her a saint.
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Ha - Right-wing website argues Jesus didn't want to help the poor at all [View all]
sharedvalues
Apr 2017
OP
Organized religion today is obsolete and is often injurious to others often making the haters feel
RKP5637
Apr 2017
#2
It's becoming more so all the time. Young people have no use for bronze age belief systems.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#6
Democrats believe in inclusiveness and tolerance, which has everything to do with religion.
rug
Apr 2017
#15
Religious "nones", Jews and other non-Christians overwhelmingly voted for Hillary in 2016:
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#16
That's because the GOP voters get votes from some religious people through hate and divisiveness
sharedvalues
Apr 2017
#18
This is why I said liberal ideology has nothing to do with religion.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#21
It is written he that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord and the Lord shall pay him again.
caroldansen
Apr 2017
#7
Teresa was no saint if you were unfortunate enough to be sick and poor in Calcutta.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#9
How interesting. A post simltaneously referencing "the Catholic propanganda machine" and
rug
Apr 2017
#13
Well it's not like white Christian males suffered and died or anything.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#25
Oh indeed. Remember when we were attacked for criticizing the nuns at the Tuam orphanage?
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#32
Well when you need to market the same old product as 'New and Improved' you need a marketing expert.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#37
More deflection and outright denial of facts. Did you even read the study?
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#57
Assume I was referring to the collective 'you' as in the Church and defenders of Teresa in general.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#51
It's not like those nasty old atheists are the only ones who criticized Teresa.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#63
Even former members of her order have spoken up about her negligence.
Act_of_Reparation
Apr 2017
#64
imho, the point of any decent religion is to encourage socially helpful behavior
unblock
Apr 2017
#52