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Bretton Garcia

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57. The Church already did: the Bible, with its Apocalypse

Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:20 AM

Apr 2017

The catechism admits that there are many false prophets. And that the Church will only be perfected in the Second Coming. This means that most Christians are deceived, exploited, by liars. Till a second Coming.

Similarly, modern thinkers, for that matter, agree that the Roman and Medieval lords were exploitative. And were better replaced by democracy.

A simple summary of actual history.

Since religious folks often aren't too up up to date, or patient with criticism, it's necessary to at times, put out a short and sweet summary.

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Progressive people of faith: The Nuns of Philadelphia [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2017 OP

I would love to know ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #1

One could ask them, as they are helping the poor. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3

One could ask them, and helping the poor has nothing to do with it. ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #5

What makes anyone a progressive? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #7

It's easier to come at it the opposite way... ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #8

Are you a single issue voter? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #9

Why does supporting human rights for women make one a 'single issue voter'? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #13

And pacifism? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #16

This isn't about pacifism, it's about forcing women to give birth. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #18

I answered this. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #19

You said support for reproductive rights makes one a single issue voter. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #23

Yes, it is a grave injustice no one wants to discuss yet another attempt to move the goalposts. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #32

The sub thread was pure speculation of motives, with no evidence offered guillaumeb Apr 2017 #48

You don't need to assume anything. I flat out told you why people aren't discussing it. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #50

You avoided the substance of my reply. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #53

because it's not grounded in reality. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #59

Beautiful reply. n/t Fix The Stupid Apr 2017 #63

Your post is a thing of beauty, one of those rare posts that make me remember why I joined. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #64

Nicely done. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #66

Well, go add pacifism to the platform for Progressives, because it's not in there. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #55

Well, some posters here are claiming that I called one group progressive when I did not. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #56

Well, to me, progressive is all about jelly beans. Because I said so. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #60

They are Catholic nuns. trotsky Apr 2017 #65

Dismissive of you, but hardly convincing. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #67

The OFFICIAL POLICY of their church is anti-choice. trotsky Apr 2017 #68

Wrong. You and another made a claim that you refuse to back up. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #69

My claim is that they follow Catholic dogma, because they are Catholic nuns. trotsky Apr 2017 #72

Again, you failed to prove your assumption. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #73

Keep trying. trotsky Apr 2017 #74

Wow. Do you buy straw by the bale, or by the wagon load? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #75

Aw, you gave up. trotsky Apr 2017 #87

at a Dem booth at a local fair during the Kerry run for Prez... redwitch Apr 2017 #76

The official policy of the Church is anti-abortion. lapucelle Apr 2017 #79

Actually, denying communion for pro-choice Catholic politicians has been raised in the past. trotsky Apr 2017 #86

It's interesting that certain men in the hierarchy lapucelle Apr 2017 #88

Again, I don't dispute the existence of pro-choice Catholics... trotsky Apr 2017 #89

I don't dispute that no convent lapucelle Apr 2017 #90

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #91

No Presidents in the history of this nation ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #14

Does helping he poor cancel out encouraging conditions that make them poor? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #10

Your questions need much refinement. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #49

Fine. Do good works cancel the bad? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #70

Too simplistic. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #71

How about an answer Lordquinton Apr 2017 #80

Teaching people to turn away from Reason, makes them stupid and poor Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #81

What an amazing response. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #84

I've worked for the poor all my life Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #92

Your framing. Valid only as proof of your own opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #93

Data verifies link between poverty and fundamentalism Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #94

Given that approximately 84% of humans are believers, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #95

Religious Reagan, Bushes, grew the wealth differential Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #96

Mainly, I believe, due to abortion. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #97

Catholics are typically fairly evenly split Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #99

If you're basing your argument on imaginary things Lordquinton Apr 2017 #98

On cue. rug Apr 2017 #100

Yes you are Lordquinton Apr 2017 #103

What are you? rug Apr 2017 #104

Do you have something to say? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #105

I love that story. rug Apr 2017 #106

Here we go again, making a mountain out of a molehill! demosincebirth Apr 2017 #77

I work with nuns, and those I know are quite progressive. lapucelle Apr 2017 #78

Nuns are often better than Chaput Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #82

Chaput is one extreme voice among many. lapucelle Apr 2017 #83

Yep. Cardinal Law... Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #85

"Being against abortion is not always the same as being anti-choice" ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #101

These terms are slippery and often used interchangeably, lapucelle Apr 2017 #102

I'm reminded of Sister Corita Kent chia Apr 2017 #2

Thank you. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4

You're welcome. :) chia Apr 2017 #6

The Church gives - and takes away from the poor. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #11

I believe that you are confusing religion and class systems. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #12

Your church opposes the use of birth control, trotsky Apr 2017 #15

Not.......my.........church. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #17

Oh really? What church do you belong to? trotsky Apr 2017 #22

Social justice. Like access to family planning. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #27

I was. Emphasis on the past tense. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #36

Ok. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #39

Religion educates people in how to think - or not think Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #20

An interesting viewpoint. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #21

Public education is more modern, less medieval Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #24

Yes, public schools indoctrinate people, into 'non-barbarism'. Thanks for that. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #26

Are you seriously asking? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #34

My son's public school has shredded (this semester) Columbus and American manifest destiny/exception AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #37

I am not currently in school. But I have seen relatively recent textbooks on history. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #40

Absolutely. The demographics differences between WA and TX are as long as your arm. Longer, actually AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #42

We homeschooled our children. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #44

Yeah, I get that. But it's not an issue here. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #52

How do public schools 'indoctrinate' children? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #31

#34. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #35

Rule... 34? AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #38

Post #34 guillaumeb Apr 2017 #41

*whew* AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #43

SO what is rule 34? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #45

Unsubstantiated allegations. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #46

Neither was I. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #47

Churches stripped Reason from poor people Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #51

This sounds like part of a rather formulaic dystopic novel. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #54

The Church already did: the Bible, with its Apocalypse Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #57

When you write this novel, will your narrator be as condescending guillaumeb Apr 2017 #58

OK. Less condescending. But with smaller words. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #61

Condescending is still too big. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #62

"Mother Teresa of Philadelphia" Not a good sign. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #25

I have to ask (entirely off-topic)... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #28

No, it's the title of a book by Howard Schultz, but I think it apropos for the state of post-primary AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #29

Corporations have souls...?... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #30

Oh, most likely funnier. The book is not super funny at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #33