Progressive people of faith: The Nuns of Philadelphia

[AtheistCrusader]

59. because it's not grounded in reality.

You made it up. Pacifism isn't in any Progressive platform. Sorry.

ALL of them severely restrict the use of the military and constrain military budgets for peace and economic justice, but that doesn't imply let alone state 'pacifism'.


I'd argue I'm more progressive than you are, and I'm not anywhere near a pacifist. For starters, on abortion, I don't do the two-sides-of-my-mouth bullshit and say I'm 'against abortion personally but pro-choice politically'. No. Fuck that. I'm pro-choice period. Personally and politically. I'm also in favor of normalizing the very idea of abortion among other 'hot button' reproductive freedom issues. It's not an 'issue' at all. It's normal. It's a safe (safer than birth) option. It's a morally acceptable option. It's fine. I'm not going to be two-faced and say 'it should be legal, but oh by the way, you're killing someone, if you ask me on a personal level.'. I'm not going to insist it be legal while also fomenting guilt trips for people who utilize it, as if there's something wrong with the concept.

Another voice in the din; shame... shame.... shame...

Well, shame on you. To express it right here on DU even.

And I don't have ANY trouble speaking on this issue as a male either. Guess what. I authorized the destruction of 9 fertilized embryos, because the 'I believe it's murder' contingent made it such an issue that our IVF facility had to add legal indemnification in triplicate so they could destroy un-used fertilized blastocysts on our authority as the biological parents. So yes, even as a male I absofucking-lutely have aborted living fertilized embryos. And I'd do it again, because it has NO moral implications. Attempting to implant and carry all 9 would have had negative moral implications, you bet, but terminating them? Nope. Not gonna fucking apologize and I am aware of my privilege, as a male, because people like you probably don't remember to foment guilt toward people like me, even though what I did was not morally different than a woman going to a medical facility for a D&X abortion.

I think people who hold this bullshit 'its bad but it should be legal' position are actually the worst. The fucking worst. People that can flow between the two sides of this issue and sow fear and doubt and second-guessing while pretending to be pro-life, but casting all sorts of shade on the actual employment of the procedure.

Please re-evaluate your position.