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Bretton Garcia

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82. Nuns are often better than Chaput

Fri Apr 14, 2017, 07:54 AM

Apr 2017

Some in hospitals allowed contraception, and even medical abortion.

But? There are so many problems with religion in general, that they often do harm.

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Progressive people of faith: The Nuns of Philadelphia [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2017 OP

I would love to know ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #1

One could ask them, as they are helping the poor. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3

One could ask them, and helping the poor has nothing to do with it. ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #5

What makes anyone a progressive? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #7

It's easier to come at it the opposite way... ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #8

Are you a single issue voter? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #9

Why does supporting human rights for women make one a 'single issue voter'? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #13

And pacifism? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #16

This isn't about pacifism, it's about forcing women to give birth. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #18

I answered this. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #19

You said support for reproductive rights makes one a single issue voter. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #23

Yes, it is a grave injustice no one wants to discuss yet another attempt to move the goalposts. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #32

The sub thread was pure speculation of motives, with no evidence offered guillaumeb Apr 2017 #48

You don't need to assume anything. I flat out told you why people aren't discussing it. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #50

You avoided the substance of my reply. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #53

because it's not grounded in reality. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #59

Beautiful reply. n/t Fix The Stupid Apr 2017 #63

Your post is a thing of beauty, one of those rare posts that make me remember why I joined. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #64

Nicely done. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #66

Well, go add pacifism to the platform for Progressives, because it's not in there. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #55

Well, some posters here are claiming that I called one group progressive when I did not. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #56

Well, to me, progressive is all about jelly beans. Because I said so. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #60

They are Catholic nuns. trotsky Apr 2017 #65

Dismissive of you, but hardly convincing. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #67

The OFFICIAL POLICY of their church is anti-choice. trotsky Apr 2017 #68

Wrong. You and another made a claim that you refuse to back up. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #69

My claim is that they follow Catholic dogma, because they are Catholic nuns. trotsky Apr 2017 #72

Again, you failed to prove your assumption. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #73

Keep trying. trotsky Apr 2017 #74

Wow. Do you buy straw by the bale, or by the wagon load? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #75

Aw, you gave up. trotsky Apr 2017 #87

at a Dem booth at a local fair during the Kerry run for Prez... redwitch Apr 2017 #76

The official policy of the Church is anti-abortion. lapucelle Apr 2017 #79

Actually, denying communion for pro-choice Catholic politicians has been raised in the past. trotsky Apr 2017 #86

It's interesting that certain men in the hierarchy lapucelle Apr 2017 #88

Again, I don't dispute the existence of pro-choice Catholics... trotsky Apr 2017 #89

I don't dispute that no convent lapucelle Apr 2017 #90

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #91

No Presidents in the history of this nation ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #14

Does helping he poor cancel out encouraging conditions that make them poor? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #10

Your questions need much refinement. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #49

Fine. Do good works cancel the bad? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #70

Too simplistic. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #71

How about an answer Lordquinton Apr 2017 #80

Teaching people to turn away from Reason, makes them stupid and poor Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #81

What an amazing response. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #84

I've worked for the poor all my life Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #92

Your framing. Valid only as proof of your own opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #93

Data verifies link between poverty and fundamentalism Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #94

Given that approximately 84% of humans are believers, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #95

Religious Reagan, Bushes, grew the wealth differential Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #96

Mainly, I believe, due to abortion. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #97

Catholics are typically fairly evenly split Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #99

If you're basing your argument on imaginary things Lordquinton Apr 2017 #98

On cue. rug Apr 2017 #100

Yes you are Lordquinton Apr 2017 #103

What are you? rug Apr 2017 #104

Do you have something to say? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #105

I love that story. rug Apr 2017 #106

Here we go again, making a mountain out of a molehill! demosincebirth Apr 2017 #77

I work with nuns, and those I know are quite progressive. lapucelle Apr 2017 #78

Nuns are often better than Chaput Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #82

Chaput is one extreme voice among many. lapucelle Apr 2017 #83

Yep. Cardinal Law... Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #85

"Being against abortion is not always the same as being anti-choice" ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #101

These terms are slippery and often used interchangeably, lapucelle Apr 2017 #102

I'm reminded of Sister Corita Kent chia Apr 2017 #2

Thank you. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4

You're welcome. :) chia Apr 2017 #6

The Church gives - and takes away from the poor. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #11

I believe that you are confusing religion and class systems. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #12

Your church opposes the use of birth control, trotsky Apr 2017 #15

Not.......my.........church. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #17

Oh really? What church do you belong to? trotsky Apr 2017 #22

Social justice. Like access to family planning. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #27

I was. Emphasis on the past tense. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #36

Ok. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #39

Religion educates people in how to think - or not think Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #20

An interesting viewpoint. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #21

Public education is more modern, less medieval Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #24

Yes, public schools indoctrinate people, into 'non-barbarism'. Thanks for that. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #26

Are you seriously asking? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #34

My son's public school has shredded (this semester) Columbus and American manifest destiny/exception AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #37

I am not currently in school. But I have seen relatively recent textbooks on history. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #40

Absolutely. The demographics differences between WA and TX are as long as your arm. Longer, actually AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #42

We homeschooled our children. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #44

Yeah, I get that. But it's not an issue here. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #52

How do public schools 'indoctrinate' children? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #31

#34. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #35

Rule... 34? AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #38

Post #34 guillaumeb Apr 2017 #41

*whew* AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #43

SO what is rule 34? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #45

Unsubstantiated allegations. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #46

Neither was I. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #47

Churches stripped Reason from poor people Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #51

This sounds like part of a rather formulaic dystopic novel. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #54

The Church already did: the Bible, with its Apocalypse Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #57

When you write this novel, will your narrator be as condescending guillaumeb Apr 2017 #58

OK. Less condescending. But with smaller words. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #61

Condescending is still too big. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #62

"Mother Teresa of Philadelphia" Not a good sign. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #25

I have to ask (entirely off-topic)... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #28

No, it's the title of a book by Howard Schultz, but I think it apropos for the state of post-primary AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #29

Corporations have souls...?... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #30

Oh, most likely funnier. The book is not super funny at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #33