Religion

Bretton Garcia

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33. Sounds likely these guys all right

Sun Apr 16, 2017, 12:41 PM

Apr 2017

At times they admit that Christianity makes lots of physical, historical - not just immaterial, metaphorical, spiritual - claims. But then they say that we can investigate them scientifically,.just by looking at a written book. The Bible. Rather than doing real scientific tests.

Some of them, like Barron, have made a half step toward science. But just s half step.

People like me are trying to guide them to the full mile. Showing them that even the Bible itself called for that (above).

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'The Case for Christ' and a stubbornly historical religion [View all] rug Apr 2017 OP

Is the virgin birth in the same category? greymattermom Apr 2017 #1

In the Catholic and Orthodox traditions, and some other Christian groups. rug Apr 2017 #4

Happily embraces reason Cartoonist Apr 2017 #2

I really doubt you're laughing. rug Apr 2017 #5

It made my day Cartoonist Apr 2017 #27

Your confusion between Ken Ham and Robert Barron explains your confusion about religion. rug Apr 2017 #36

Confusion? Cartoonist Apr 2017 #61

con�fu�sion rug Apr 2017 #62

In what way? Cartoonist Apr 2017 #64

What is in your head does not always translate to reality. rug Apr 2017 #65

He is risen Cartoonist Apr 2017 #68

Define the proof you say he is needed. rug Apr 2017 #69

Not that line of BS again. Cartoonist Apr 2017 #71

And you never answer it. rug Apr 2017 #72

Biblical scholarship Cartoonist Apr 2017 #73

The ultimate closed, prejudiced mind. rug Apr 2017 #74

Open it then Cartoonist Apr 2017 #75

I'm not your rabbi. rug Apr 2017 #82

The hate manual Cartoonist Apr 2017 #85

It'c clearly a manual you hate. rug Apr 2017 #94

Jesus tells us to "hate" our family, quote. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #103

If I had a talking snake like the one in the Bible.... Vinnie From Indy Apr 2017 #3

You'd also be as far from the topic as Uranus. rug Apr 2017 #6

I've read three of Strobel's books Orrex Apr 2017 #7

His book doesn't convince me either but he frames the question squarely. rug Apr 2017 #8

I agree that he frames the questions reasonably well Orrex Apr 2017 #9

Your second paragraph is illogical. rug Apr 2017 #10

"Nothing about religious belief can be stated with certainty." Orrex Apr 2017 #11

Incorrect. rug Apr 2017 #14

No, that's not the first thing to know about religious belief Orrex Apr 2017 #18

"believers"? Are you standing by that broad brush statement? rug Apr 2017 #38

"Religious beliefs can easliy be supported by logic after the datum is stated." Orrex Apr 2017 #43

You haven't answered my question about your broad brush. rug Apr 2017 #45

So your insults are ok, but mine are intolerable? Got it. Orrex Apr 2017 #50

By all means, "proactively witness". rug Apr 2017 #54

But here's the thing: Orrex Apr 2017 #55

I invited comment and debate, niot tired, repetitive antitheist slurs (like thatbetter than meme?) rug Apr 2017 #57

But your debates are tired from the outset Orrex Apr 2017 #66

Not nearly as tired as this: rug Apr 2017 #70

Rug, why do you do this? potone Apr 2017 #77

Thanks for yor concern, potone. rug Apr 2017 #81

Broad-brush Orrex Apr 2017 #120

Oh, I very clearly see where you two diverge. rug Apr 2017 #122

Similarly, I see where you diverge from people who can formulate an argument Orrex Apr 2017 #124

See, here's the thing Orrex Apr 2017 #121

For one who hates prosetylites you you give a fair mimicry. rug Apr 2017 #123

Where have I preached the good news about atheism? Orrex Apr 2017 #125

QED. rug Apr 2017 #126

LOL Orrex Apr 2017 #136

It's clear you don't realize you just demonstrated the point. rug Apr 2017 #137

Yes, some religionists are very fond of that tactic Orrex Apr 2017 #138

LOL rug Apr 2017 #139

QED Orrex Apr 2017 #140

EOD rug Apr 2017 #141

Barron argues as I do that Christianity DOES make empirical claims Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #30

Actually, he states that classic Christianity is based on fact, not empiricism. rug Apr 2017 #39

Religion twists words around dishonestly, Peter warned Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #46

Are you quoting an Epistle in support of your argument? rug Apr 2017 #49

Yes. I believe the Bible warns about itself. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #53

"Nothing about religious belief can be stated with certainty." AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #118

Here is a take on Strobel's view of the resurrection, by Brent Landau still_one Apr 2017 #101

That, ultimately, is true. For both sides. rug Apr 2017 #102

We should thank Rug sincerely here. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #104

That's not framed, it's a low slow softball over the plate, designed to be hit by a believer. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #117

At least the reviewer edhopper Apr 2017 #12

Oh, Barron is no hack at all. rug Apr 2017 #15

didn't say he was a hack edhopper Apr 2017 #17

Sorry, I call a lot of clergy hacks, usually based on their insincerity and cynicism. rug Apr 2017 #20

I think he is biased edhopper Apr 2017 #21

I don't find Strobel's arguments convincing either. rug Apr 2017 #23

biased yes edhopper Apr 2017 #26

I've talked with Robert Barron. And Strobel's son Kyle. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #13

I'm dubious. rug Apr 2017 #16

Blog Kyle. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #19

Metamorpha. rug Apr 2017 #22

That's Kyle Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #24

Here's his blog. rug Apr 2017 #25

When he called me "friend" at EWTN he was an up and coming priest Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #28

He would still call you friend. rug Apr 2017 #37

So, does he uncover irrefutable physical proof of the Resurrection? PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #29

He's referring to the hearsay account written years after the purported fact, Orrex Apr 2017 #32

Sounds likely these guys all right Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #33

Watch the movie. Read the book. rug Apr 2017 #40

He's preaching to the choir. People sworn to believe faithfully. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #51

Like hell he has. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #88

The hell he hasn't. rug Apr 2017 #96

I have several copies of his book. A throw-away theistic argument is to give someone AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #99

The story is loaded: The story's premise puts the atheist at an unwinnable disadvantage. DetlefK Apr 2017 #31

Precisely. Flip it and that's exactly the antitheist method. rug Apr 2017 #41

Nice broadbrush Orrex Apr 2017 #84

Here's a meme for you. rug Apr 2017 #93

It's only unwinnable because there's no evidence. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #89

It's unwinnable because you attack the immaterial by demanding material evidence. rug Apr 2017 #95

*Ignoring the books of your faith claim the immaterial MADE everything material* AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #97

But it does. rug Apr 2017 #107

False analogy Orrex Apr 2017 #108

Cliched replies. rug Apr 2017 #109

Ad hominem Orrex Apr 2017 #110

Red herring. rug Apr 2017 #111

No Orrex Apr 2017 #112

I've read it already. rug Apr 2017 #113

Does the author describe themself in the book and how he or she might be contacted? AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #114

Exactly. Orrex Apr 2017 #115

Right. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #116

Terrific summary Orrex Apr 2017 #119

An ant doesn't know what a tool is. It's incapable. rug Apr 2017 #128

Right as usual sir. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #129

Tell me when they find ants using a sponge left behind a drywall. rug Apr 2017 #130

If I got shot down that hard I might be tempted to drop a non-sequitur and flee as well. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #131

You're a hero in your own mnid, Ace. rug Apr 2017 #132

Is that so? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #135

Special pleading Orrex Apr 2017 #105

Apples and oranges. rug Apr 2017 #106

At least apples and oranges are REAL. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #133

So is their difference. rug Apr 2017 #134

This guy can't really be much of a reporter PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #34

True. But? Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #35

History is what happens in the real world. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #44

I agree. Barron has more work to do. Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #47

Read his review edhopper Apr 2017 #42

Rug tricked us with a misleading excerpt again !?!!?? Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #48

Same old edhopper Apr 2017 #52

That's a pretty piss-poor - and stale - summary of the review. rug Apr 2017 #59

Careful, or you'll be accused of broad-brushing. Orrex Apr 2017 #56

Seeking succor in sympathetic quarters? rug Apr 2017 #60

No. Orrex Apr 2017 #67

That could be the title of the fucking book/movie in your OP. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #90

Squealing like a stuck pig could be the title of some responses. rug Apr 2017 #92

No, I mean your post was a genius paraphrase. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #100

Maybe you should read the whole link. rug Apr 2017 #58

+1000 Cattledog Apr 2017 #63

Jesus is always real to me. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #76

Strobel should not have been impressed with the idea Htom Sirveaux Apr 2017 #78

Elvis sightings were a staple of the National Inquirer Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #79

Apologetics generally bore me but this shallow intellectualism is amusing.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2017 #80

Standard responses to apologetics Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #83

Argument to populism is tricky. They still crank out some 1/3-1/2 million copies of Atlas Shrugged AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #91

I was trying to be generous, and bringing up the point that it doesn't matter much if it was.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2017 #98

"Faith" attacks the science, history, of the Bible Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #86

Barron never does History Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #87

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