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In reply to the discussion: Is the Universe Made of Math? [View all]

struggle4progress

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18. Abstractions are a useful trick we humans have learned, to handle the very real limits
Mon Apr 17, 2017, 10:31 PM
Apr 2017

on our ability to focus and to remember

One reason I like mathematics is simply that I don't have a great memory: so if I can "figure it out" instead of "recalling it," that's helpful to me

A cosmology "based solely on mathematics" would be profoundly unscientific: Max Tegmark cannot understand this world by pure thought --- and if he believes he can, he falls into a dangerous ideological error

The great insight from the era of the "natural philosophers" was that we can improve some of our abstractions by discarding those which fail observational or experimental tests and disregarding those which are untestable: that method works very well for a CERTAIN class of abstractions --- though not for ALL abstractions I consider important

The language of mathematics became part of the language of science because mathematics can be organized in a logical fashion and because some mathematics is associated with useful computational rules

But much of modern mathematics cannot be associated with useful computational rules; and so we might have cause to doubt the actual scientific value of much of mathematics

The computable fragment of mathematics is a rather strange and wild land: problems that can be solved by computation can, by very slight modification, become problems that are impossible to solve by computation

We should suspect such phenomena will occur in good physics as well: a rather satisfactory and computable theory might, by an reasonable modification, become a theory which does not admit a general solution by computation --- in which case, we might by a variety of clever attacks, be able to solve THESE special cases or THOSE special cases of the theory, without any hope of ever solving certain OTHER special cases









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Is the Universe Made of Math? [View all] MineralMan Apr 2017 OP
If it is, I'm screwed. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #1
I suspect that our individual understanding of math has little to do MineralMan Apr 2017 #3
And then Satan said, "Let's put the alphabet in math." CrispyQ Apr 2017 #25
Math is an approximate language we use to interpret our observations Lordquinton Apr 2017 #2
Please see my #3, above for an answer. MineralMan Apr 2017 #4
"were all parts of a giant mathematical object" rug Apr 2017 #5
Thank you for your careful analysis. MineralMan Apr 2017 #6
I used the lingua franca. rug Apr 2017 #13
I see. MineralMan Apr 2017 #14
If you're good with words, it's a snap. rug Apr 2017 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #7
Water is made of two gasses. MineralMan Apr 2017 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #9
Perhaps math just IS. MineralMan Apr 2017 #12
Wikipedia may help. Jim__ Apr 2017 #10
Well, until I have a chance to read his book, I can't MineralMan Apr 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #16
Here's a 45 minute video with Max Tegmark talking about his ideas. Jim__ Apr 2017 #17
Thanks. I'll try to find time to watch that. MineralMan Apr 2017 #22
There's a lot of word salad here... tortoise1956 Apr 2017 #37
Abstractions are a useful trick we humans have learned, to handle the very real limits struggle4progress Apr 2017 #18
Perhaps I'll revisit this subject after I have a chance to read MineralMan Apr 2017 #23
Let's examine this paragraph in your link: struggle4progress Apr 2017 #28
As I keep saying, I won't have much to say about this MineralMan Apr 2017 #31
Not Even Wrong struggle4progress Apr 2017 #29
Plato... Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #19
Yes. However philosophy based on extremely limited knowledge MineralMan Apr 2017 #24
Question is: Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #26
Not at all. I doubt that is even of interest. MineralMan Apr 2017 #27
Mathematics is useful to describe repetive patterns, and we happen to live in a universe... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2017 #20
I think I'd rather re-read: Innumeracy... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #21
Mathematical Universe? I Aint Convinced struggle4progress Apr 2017 #30
The universe is made of matter. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #32
Antimatter also exists in the universe. MineralMan Apr 2017 #33
Antimatter is a type of matter. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #34
Math that has enormous implications can be very simple. MineralMan Apr 2017 #35
But that is not a matter of pure mathematics: it is the end result of a long strange journey struggle4progress Apr 2017 #36
While I wait for my copy of Tegmark's book, MineralMan Apr 2017 #38
wo2 rug Apr 2017 #39
Wow! You have refuted my post with just three characters. MineralMan Apr 2017 #40
An interesting video on Euler's Identity and group theory. Jim__ Apr 2017 #41
Well, the deeper you get into mathematics MineralMan Apr 2017 #42
Here's an interesting series of videos about imaginary numbers MineralMan Apr 2017 #43
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