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Lordquinton

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24. Whether you believe in it or not it exists

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:41 PM

Aug 2017

You're conflating religious belief with a colloquial usage of the term. Like someone saying they don't believe in evolution, their belief doesn't matter, it's fact.

Not believing in capitalism doesn't really matter because that's our economic model.

Words have meanings, and you can't just redefine them on the fly to win arguments.

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Bad news: Cabinet members study Bible together weekly [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

This Episcopalian thinks that sucks wryter2000 Aug 2017 #1

Agreed. Keep it to yourself. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #8

. DURHAM D Aug 2017 #2

Gods. What a nest of antichristian vipers bullimiami Aug 2017 #3

Woe to you njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #4

No matter their beliefs, I would rather that they realize that their actual jobs guillaumeb Aug 2017 #6

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from Motley13 Aug 2017 #5

I do not care what they call themselves, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #7

We'd all prefer that atreides1 Aug 2017 #53

Ring The Bells Zoonart Aug 2017 #9

One hopes that 2018 will be that "hear from me (us)" moment for the GOP. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #10

Bible study at work is not prohibited if you do it on your own time marylandblue Aug 2017 #11

I know this, but it sends an implicit message which conflicts with the Establishment Clause. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #12

May I suggest everyone send them selected bible verses to study? Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #52

You were doing so well up until your last line. trotsky Aug 2017 #13

A belief system is any system that requires a belief in its validity. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #14

You are equivocating again. trotsky Aug 2017 #15

You are promoting your agenda, and your own beliefs again. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #16

As you promote your agenda, and your own beliefs. Not sure how this is supposed to hurt my point. trotsky Aug 2017 #17

I liked how you launched yet more personal attacks, even as you call for guillaumeb Aug 2017 #18

Right. OK, here, I'll give you yet another chance. trotsky Aug 2017 #20

Your examples are ridiculous. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #22

How so? trotsky Aug 2017 #35

Please accept my congratulations on your tremendous victory. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #37

Thanks! trotsky Aug 2017 #39

As to "rewording", all anyone here can do is look at the post about drive-through Jesus guillaumeb Aug 2017 #40

"it makes me wonder where the miscommunication is" trotsky Aug 2017 #41

Well, now I know. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #43

It's good you have your own personal view of why there is miscommunication. trotsky Aug 2017 #46

Well, it is supported by the actual post to which I referred. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #48

Again, that's just your personal opinion. trotsky Aug 2017 #50

Are you at war with sentence construction and word usage? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #55

Clearly I hit a nerve. trotsky Aug 2017 #58

No, it is an observation based on what you felt that you read in another post. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #60

Yes, please, drag your other thread into this one. trotsky Aug 2017 #61

Sometimes you amaze me. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #63

Yeah, thanks, but if there is one thing I've learned in trying to dialog with you... trotsky Aug 2017 #67

What a coincidence!! eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #68

Aw, the old "I know you are but what am I" defense. trotsky Aug 2017 #69

No, simply a recognition based on a few years of dealing with your "questions" guillaumeb Aug 2017 #70

Oh, I see. trotsky Aug 2017 #71

"Deserve" is irrelevant. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #73

Yes, I understand that you judge others. trotsky Aug 2017 #74

Judging others is a human characteristic. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #75

Did not your deity instruct you not to judge? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #76

But if one only notices the act of judging when it is done by a believer, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #78

"Judge not lest ye be judged." trotsky Aug 2017 #77

And do you feel that this admonition is applicable only to Christians? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #79

There you go with your whataboutism again. trotsky Aug 2017 #80

There you go again. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #81

Yeah, I know. trotsky Aug 2017 #82

Some people aren't fans of your heavy handed framing. Lordquinton Aug 2017 #19

But if you believe in the economic model of capitalism that is a belief in capitalism. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #23

Whether you believe in it or not it exists Lordquinton Aug 2017 #24

I am not redefining, I am insisting on the plain meaning of the terms "belief" and "belief-system". guillaumeb Aug 2017 #25

You're redefining things to fit your agenda Lordquinton Aug 2017 #26

No, it is you who is insisting on one single definition. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27

Ok, so you ask for a picture of something to provide proof Lordquinton Aug 2017 #28

I gave you an example of what a belief system actually is. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #30

Capitalism is the word we use to describe this specific economic system Lordquinton Aug 2017 #32

I see buildings and sports facilities, and vehicles. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #33

You don't see the inequality? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #34

It's wonderful when he commits himself to his ridiculous definitions... trotsky Aug 2017 #36

Ah yes, the inequality. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #38

The key problem here is that you really don't understand what atheism is. trotsky Aug 2017 #42

Thank you for explaining your personal view of atheism. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #44

Oh not this nonsense. trotsky Aug 2017 #45

Are you the official spokesperson for atheists everywhere? No. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

I'm closer to one than you are, that's for damn sure. trotsky Aug 2017 #49

Your framing, again. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #54

Yeah, sure, it's "framing" to point out that what you do to atheists, trotsky Aug 2017 #57

People can read what I say and judge from that. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #59

Indeed they can, and indeed they do. trotsky Aug 2017 #62

What countries are you using as an example here? Lordquinton Aug 2017 #64

He doesn't care. trotsky Aug 2017 #72

I see they like fiction Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #21

when the money plate goes around, Trump collects it. SummerSnow Aug 2017 #29

He does seem to worship himself. So it is fine if he takes the money. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #31

Anyone know if this takes place on WH grounds?? riversedge Aug 2017 #51

The article reads as follows: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #56

Thanks for the links (I had read the story to no avail). Still unclear but hard to believe all of riversedge Aug 2017 #65

I find it difficult to believe also. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #66