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The Velveteen Ocelot

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27. It might depend on whether the person was brought up in an oppressive
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:21 PM
Aug 2017

or fanatical religion, or otherwise had unpleasant experiences. I know a few former Catholics who are pretty intense about their dislike of the Catholic church, though not all are atheists. My own upbringing was mainly in the pretty liberal United Church of Christ (the Congregational Church at that time), and I didn't find it offensive or particularly negative - just boring and irrelevant. Later on I became a fairly regular church-goer (ELCA Lutheran and Episcopalian) but only because I enjoyed singing in the choir, not because I really believed in what they were telling us. I would have to call myself an agnostic, since I can't disprove the existence of the Christian god, or any other god, any more than believers can prove it. As far as belief systems go I'm somewhat attracted to Buddhism, which doesn't have a deity.

I have never been offended by what I heard at these churches, which at least in recent years have been liberal and accepting, with no hellfire and damnation. The clergy I've dealt with were very kind and helpful when my parents passed away. I have no axe to grind with religion in general as long as it does not insinuate itself into legislation or other oppressive behavior (that's a big "if" these days, unfortunately). Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy and assholery among religious people, but the biggest and most hypocritical asshole I know of (and if you don't know who I'm talking about, here's a hint: he's orange) is not religious at all. Religion doesn't make people bad unless they were bad in the first place; it just gives them the excuse that "God" wants them to do something they would have done anyhow.

A lot of the attraction of religious institutions seems to come from the social benefits - the sense of community they offer. And if a person's religious beliefs give them comfort, who am I to tell them they're being stupid or superstitious? It's all OK with me.

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Church attendance has been falling steadily from its peak in the 1950s Warpy Aug 2017 #1
I'd think a much higher percentage of the older generation as attendance has dropped off bettyellen Aug 2017 #2
I was an altar boy (unmolested!) SonofDonald Aug 2017 #3
Good question. Freelancer Aug 2017 #4
I guess your Sunday School teacher had no answer for that question. MineralMan Aug 2017 #7
You bet. Freelancer Aug 2017 #8
Either that or someone offers up some sort of apologetics MineralMan Aug 2017 #9
I've been very extremely stressed considering a dear heart and his family and associates sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #37
Ex not even really a catholic. pamdb Aug 2017 #5
I like to tell people I was an altar boy...but only once! SwissTony Aug 2017 #6
Days of Holy Obligation Cartoonist Aug 2017 #17
Once I realized that the Catholic church I grew up in was nonsense... Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #10
For me, death is just the end of my journey. MineralMan Aug 2017 #11
When you die your energy just changes into a different energy Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #20
Energy, as a general rule, changes to heat, and then dissipates. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #21
reincarnation does not guarantee you come back as a person Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #22
If this reality is a simulation... Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #23
If we can choose the form of our reincarnation, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #30
If reincarnation is a real thing, it makes sense that people don't remember The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #28
Agnostic nearing Atheisim Runningdawg Aug 2017 #12
I think most of us had church LakeArenal Aug 2017 #13
I never went to church. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #14
You wrote this: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #15
They are common human failings. MineralMan Aug 2017 #16
Go ahead. Everbody jump on me (my post). sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #26
Because for some, any imperfections in believers are apparently seen as "proof" guillaumeb Aug 2017 #35
Is it, now? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #39
You may have implied and it may have been inferred sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #36
Don't know, but my gut says it's gotta be most of us. Iggo Aug 2017 #18
I'm the son of a rabbi DavidDvorkin Aug 2017 #19
I have been atheist since before I ever heard of atheism Orrex Aug 2017 #24
A sizable majority. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #25
It might depend on whether the person was brought up in an oppressive The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #27
Personally, I don't really care what a person believes. MineralMan Aug 2017 #29
I became an atheist handmade34 Aug 2017 #31
Yes. I have met others who have the same thing to say. MineralMan Aug 2017 #32
most people handmade34 Aug 2017 #33
Yes, I'm sure of that, although most wouldn't make that public. MineralMan Aug 2017 #34
Oooh. no text. sprinkleeninow Aug 2017 #38
I think a pretty large portion of them DBPhenomenal Sep 2017 #40
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