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In reply to the discussion: Faith is the excuse we give ourselves to believe things without good reason [View all]Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)131. The choice one makes is based on the evidence, or lack thereof
I can't chose to believe in god, OK? I find the evidence so far provided to be far less than compelling, and there is literally nothing on a conscious level I can do to change that. It's not some sort of light switch that can just be toggled. And to be perfectly honest, I find the implication that somehow I COULD just up and choose to believe in god again "if I really wanted to" to be completely insulting.
I also find the evidence less than compelling, but others obviously find it compelling. I'm not suggesting that you or I could just up and choose to believe in god again. That choice would be based on a changing of the evidence, which may be different for every individual. Happens every day, but usually in the opposite direction when "believers" become disillusioned. Many years ago I had a close Italian friend, a former catholic priest and graduate professor of theology. He became disillusioned with the church, having witnessed so much corruption and abuse from the inside. He abandoned it, after believing in it and being nurtured by it since the age of eight, when he first entered the seminary. He could no longer be part of something he had lost faith in. He no longer trusted the church, but his belief in god remained strong. I questioned him on that and he assured me that the two were not connected. His belief in god was based on his own personal experiences, as was his disbelief in the church.
Belief is a point we reach after looking at the evidence presented and forming a conclusion, based on a combination of all the evidence and personal experience to date. We call it belief because we are not sure; we do not know, but for one reason or another we choose. Some may find the choice easy, others not so easy. I had another friend who found himself sailing single handed through several days of nasty weather. One night, totally exhausted, he claims he had an encounter with god and from that moment became a fervent believer. His switch was thrown. We may conclude that he was hallucinating and he probably was. He also is intelligent enough to realize it was probably a hallucination, but he chose to believe it was real. And for him, it was.
We all look at something and come away with as many different images. In a way, we are all delusional. Reality and truth are extremely subjective.
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Faith is the excuse we give ourselves to believe things without good reason [View all]
man4allcats
May 2012
OP
faith is something one uses to justify one's own prejudices - I believe it therefore it's true etc n
msongs
May 2012
#2
You actually don't know the odds of two beach rocks seeming to "fit" together?
edhopper
May 2012
#13
You might be happier if you could get rid of a anthropromorphic notion of God,
Thats my opinion
May 2012
#86
Yes, Karma, is the CONFIRMATION that cooperation is the secret to the success of mankind.
WingDinger
May 2012
#19
I have heart failure, and would rather die, than become a Dick, to get freebie heart fix.
WingDinger
May 2012
#25
what I said is: Karma, is confirmation that cooperation is the key to humankinds success.
WingDinger
May 2012
#28
You want me to identify the cosmic killjoy, and I answered you anthropologically.
WingDinger
May 2012
#30
Evidence that being generally uncooperative,and not rich and powerful enough to buy sycophants
WingDinger
May 2012
#32
Oh I'm sure Dick Cheney suffers greatly because all of DU considers him to be a jerk.
trotsky
May 2012
#34
What's funny is that when I used the hypothetical "you" in a discussion with Thats my opinion...
trotsky
May 2012
#106
I missed your revision, but I appreciate the effort--and take it at face value. Thanks.
Thats my opinion
May 2012
#119
This seems so ancedotal and inaccurate that I find it funny, you are proclaiming something special..
Humanist_Activist
May 2012
#74
Even if you dismiss the divinity hokum, there still is showing all sorts dignity and respect.
AlbertCat
May 2012
#50
It is oxyMORONIC, to believe it is possible to have faith in what you dont believe.
WingDinger
May 2012
#26
Proof that belief, is a choice, there are those that choose to believe that. Simple..
WingDinger
May 2012
#80
I deliberately left out the muddy part that would piss people off, but since you asked...
darkstar3
May 2012
#71
I think it is more about people not wanting to engage with fundies of any stripe.
Starboard Tack
May 2012
#100
Or two people having different beliefs constructed from their own experience...
eqfan592
May 2012
#138