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trotsky

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53. Totally and utterly beside the point.

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 04:17 PM

Sep 2017

Which is obviously why you chose to write it.

You believe that Christians like yourself are saved and special, and that everyone else is not.

That is the ugly truth that you are trying so desperately to avoid talking about.

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What sort of deific being demands: [View all] MineralMan Sep 2017 OP

Sure. And...? unblock Sep 2017 #1

That's because they're all invented by humans. MineralMan Sep 2017 #4

You raise an issue most don't want to deal with. I'll just say this... brush Sep 2017 #77

That's called abuse when it's in humans Lordquinton Sep 2017 #11

These fundy nut jobs are going for the whole ball of wax... Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2017 #2

There's always religious porn to fall back on. MineralMan Sep 2017 #3

Good point Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2017 #5

Yup. Lots of "knowing" and MineralMan Sep 2017 #6

King David and King Solomon led merry, merry lives, Glorfindel Sep 2017 #7

Hi MineralMan - Thank you for starting this discussion. Pendrench Sep 2017 #8

The New Testament is all about a New Covenant... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #9

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the "fact" that the god in that book ExciteBike66 Sep 2017 #12

Don't most Christians believe that God never changes? Mariana Sep 2017 #19

Too bad that's not the only instruction in the book. Mariana Sep 2017 #17

That's very nice. But this god still punishes Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #20

An "abomination?" yallerdawg Sep 2017 #21

"...whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." trotsky Sep 2017 #22

I guess... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #23

There's no need to guess. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #24

John 3:17 yallerdawg Sep 2017 #25

John 3:18 Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #42

Oddly enough, you don't see signs saying JOHN 3:36 very often. MineralMan Sep 2017 #40

It's described as a spiritual death, as a separation from God. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #44

Apologetics are for the religious. MineralMan Sep 2017 #45

Apologetics? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #47

The "club's" message is either hellfire and brimstone or some variation on hellfire and brimstone Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #56

Oh, I get it now! Been a while? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #57

I will NOT worship you Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #85

So you're cool with that? trotsky Sep 2017 #26

Are you not arguing... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #29

Trotsky didn't argue anything. Mariana Sep 2017 #33

Let's go to an authority: yallerdawg Sep 2017 #36

I didn't ask what that writer believes Mariana Sep 2017 #39

I believe that we don't practice religious intolerance as Americans... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #46

I can only read into this that yes, you do believe non-Christians... trotsky Sep 2017 #49

As Mariana pointed out, I'm not arguing anything. trotsky Sep 2017 #43

It doesn't matter what I believe. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #48

Actually, it does matter. trotsky Sep 2017 #50

The admonition from Christ... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #52

Totally and utterly beside the point. trotsky Sep 2017 #53

You are wrong. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #54

And when the religion causes the homophobia, etc. Mariana Sep 2017 #59

It's a simple yes or no question Lordquinton Sep 2017 #61

You think only Christians like you get to live forever in paradise. trotsky Sep 2017 #64

You want to make it about one individual? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #65

"...no issue or problem with Hindus continuing to practice and believe whatever the hell they want!" trotsky Sep 2017 #66

Obviously, you have no issue with the Hindu faith, cockroach and all. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #67

"...most Christians only want what is best for you. Is that a bad thing?" trotsky Sep 2017 #69

Someone left out "they believe" between "what" and "is best," I think. MineralMan Sep 2017 #75

What is it they say again? trotsky Sep 2017 #76

If a "devil" existed, it would consist only of details. MineralMan Sep 2017 #78

The same thing that happens to the believers. MineralMan Sep 2017 #31

Thank you for your reply. MineralMan Sep 2017 #15

"I cannot see how religion, in general, has improved how people treat each other very much." 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #28

Thanks. I agree completely. MineralMan Sep 2017 #32

I told my sons that if... 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #37

I wouldn't want to make a decision as important Mariana Sep 2017 #18

It's easy if you don't really think about it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #35

I suppose. Mariana Sep 2017 #38

Yes, often it is that they do not really know. MineralMan Sep 2017 #41

The asshole kind Cartoonist Sep 2017 #10

The very definition of genocide, isn't it? MineralMan Sep 2017 #74

The kind that was intended by his creators as a form of social control. ExciteBike66 Sep 2017 #13

Bingo! MineralMan Sep 2017 #14

One who has fooled generations of people into believing the absurd as truth. gtar100 Sep 2017 #16

This is my major contention with any religion preaching about eternity... Moostache Sep 2017 #30

That is why I like that guy in TX who is really rich and wouldnt let the victims of hurricane Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27

I did not know that about Johnny Carson, but MineralMan Sep 2017 #34

An opinion, based on a literal interpretation. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #51

This is the Religion Group, not the politics group. MineralMan Sep 2017 #58

Are we supposed to just know how to interpret every passage? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #62

I see that you have taken your argument out of this thread and MineralMan Sep 2017 #68

Your claim: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #70

A literal interpretation of what version of the Bible? MineralMan Sep 2017 #71

Then why did you pose the question in the manner that you did? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #72

I generally rely on the King James Version of the Bible MineralMan Sep 2017 #73

Was the Bible written to be a book of riddles?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #79

Are allegories riddles, do you think? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

could be .............. were the Bronze Age people smarter than today's people?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #81

Smarter? Probably the same spread of IQ scores. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #82

however the only ones with access were the priests Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #83

All about control. A very human thing. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #84

If your god is so great.........why is control needed?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #86

All about control. A very HUMAN thing. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #87

Sorry ........... my question was worded poorly Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #88

A multi-part question. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #89

A multi-part response. Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #90

What is a true Christian, as opposed to a presumably false Christian? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #91

Okay ...... I will tackle the third one first Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #92

I am not a literalist. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

I understand that........ Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #94

"Let there be light". guillaumeb Oct 2017 #95

We are not in the Bronze Age ........ 21st century Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #96

I did. That IS how I read it, and how I interpret the text. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #97

Okay ........however the Big Bang says nothing of god or that he/she created anything Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #98

If one believes that the Creator created all of existence, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #99

I wonder why you did not say that to begin with?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #100

I would say that the Creator "lit the fuse", so to say, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #101

"Lit the fuse" of... what? trotsky Oct 2017 #102

Thank you for this insight Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #105

The first time I heard the story of God demanding that Abraham murder his son, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #55

"No mother would go along with that demand"... uriel1972 Sep 2017 #60

Even as I was writing my above post, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #63

You probably can't understand zipplewrath Oct 2017 #103

It is more complicated than that. Mariana Oct 2017 #108

That is another issue zipplewrath Oct 2017 #109

Brought to us by white male patriarchy. WhiteTara Oct 2017 #104

Funny story -- all of the most moral, kind, caring people I know are atheists. byronius Oct 2017 #106

Yeah, well, I know some religious people who are all of those things, MineralMan Oct 2017 #107