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Lordquinton

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97. I mean, it's not

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #48)

Wed Oct 4, 2017, 01:01 PM

Oct 2017

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What sort of civil religion demands: [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2017 OP

So you're saying that a god-based religion is exactly the same as the "religion" of patriotism? trotsky Sep 2017 #1

I said what I intended to say in the post. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #3

And? AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #6

Fornulaic and repetitive on your part. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #10

If you keep going down the same path, my responses are going to look repetitive. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #14

The same as religion. trotsky Sep 2017 #24

I don't believe in "patriotism" HopeAgain Sep 2017 #2

Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #4

You talk about it as if it's separate. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #7

As I said: every belief system can be used by the 1% to divide and exploit workers. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #9

Oh, it's just the one percent. I see. Boogeyman of the gaps. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #13

"every belief system can be used by the 1% to divide and exploit workers" trotsky Sep 2017 #25

Feel free to define the term. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #51

What's more important here is your constant equivocation. trotsky Sep 2017 #58

If I carefully remove the insulting language from your response, this is what is remains: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #63

Identify the insult. trotsky Oct 2017 #85

Reread your post as if it were addressed to you personally from another here. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #89

Identify the insult. trotsky Oct 2017 #91

is it fake?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #95

If someone believes in it, it is true for them. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #96

"Patriotism is the last refuge for a scoundrel" Samuel Johnson Siwsan Sep 2017 #8

Christians mostly. It's part and paracel of dominionism, american exceptionalism, manifest destiny AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #5

You actually are referring to "nationalism" not "patriotism". Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #11

Trump's religion is Jingoism: k8conant Sep 2017 #12

yes indeed a particularly vile form of nationalism, a precursor to fascism. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #15

Would you say then that worshipping a god or gods Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #16

If you wish to make that interpretation, it might make an interesting post. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #17

Oh, I was under the impression that Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #18

Well, I did state that, in my view, every belief system can be used by the 1% guillaumeb Sep 2017 #19

Maybe, but it's not clear what you mean by that. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #21

My statement stands. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #46

Let's grant your fast and loose and bogus way of slapping "belief system" on whatever you want. trotsky Sep 2017 #61

You have arbitrarily set the terms of what constitutes "A" and "B". guillaumeb Sep 2017 #65

Yes, I did, because they are my examples. Two hypothetical belief systems. trotsky Oct 2017 #87

Incorrect. You framed the choice on your terms, as did I. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #90

When it's to illustrate a point, the framing is valid. trotsky Oct 2017 #92

Whatever. I've lost interest in your opinion. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #62

I feel that you might be listening only for agreement with your opinion. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #66

False, and projection. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #67

This was your initial question: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #70

Sure, no idea is absolutely immune. Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #72

It is not just inequality, it is first the division of workers so they can be exploited. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #74

Division without hierarchy is a recipe Htom Sirveaux Sep 2017 #75

Hierarchy always controls and benefits from oppression and division. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #78

We have indeed had our share of exchanges, Htom. trotsky Oct 2017 #88

Your 3rd paragraph is way off Cartoonist Sep 2017 #20

Ask the victims of the US settlers. It was done in the name of manifest destiny. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #47

Actually, "manifest destiny" was a particularly Christian thing. trotsky Sep 2017 #59

Manifest destiny is a particularly US thing. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #64

Fine, ignore what I posted. trotsky Oct 2017 #86

You seem confused Lordquinton Sep 2017 #22

It's absolutely critical to the agenda he's pushing. trotsky Sep 2017 #26

Your post reveals only your own tendency to reframe things and nothing about my "agenda". guillaumeb Sep 2017 #49

Your same tired old pattern of behavior. trotsky Sep 2017 #57

You seem very confused. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #48

I mean, it's not Lordquinton Oct 2017 #97

We differ. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #98

"Civil Religion?" MineralMan Sep 2017 #23

He's talking about a sociological concept put forth by Robert Bellah in 1967. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #29

"As above, so below." yallerdawg Sep 2017 #30

That's because there's only "below". Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #31

The religious would argue the opposite. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #32

Not sure I follow. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #34

Aren't you saying religion was conceived of as a means of political control? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #39

Are you saying religion influences government or that government influences religion? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #42

That is exactly what we are both saying! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #44

"Kicked dog howls loudest" syndrome! LOL! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #45

"stupefyingly simple equivocation" trotsky Sep 2017 #33

I can't even identify the point he's trying to make. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #36

Hey, I'm right here. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #41

Oh, I'm not talking about you. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #43

No, you obviously cannot identify the point if this is what you read. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #50

I suggest stop spouting vagaries. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #53

I already said it in the original post. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #55

I assume you're referring to this: Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #71

I stated my objections to MM. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #73

Yeah, OK, but the functions of government do not equate MineralMan Sep 2017 #35

That's what I meant when I said he's equivocating. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #37

Well, in this instance, I'd call it false equivocation. MineralMan Sep 2017 #38

It's OK for your religion to be bad because other religions are bad? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #27

EVERYTHING is a religion, it seems. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2017 #28

It's similar to the argument that atheism is really a religion, MineralMan Sep 2017 #40

No, the point is about belief systems, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #52

There is no such thing as a "civil religion." MineralMan Sep 2017 #60

'Merica underpants Sep 2017 #54

That settles it. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #56

"Patriotism" is one of those fun words. Mariana Sep 2017 #68

Or the term is so vague as to lose meaning? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #69

Most people have very definite, clear ideas Mariana Sep 2017 #76

I might add exposing their citizens to radiation Stargazer99 Sep 2017 #77

An excellent addition. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #79

Patriotism is not a belief system marylandblue Sep 2017 #80

Patriotism depends on the belief in nation states. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #81

Still depends on a feeling marylandblue Sep 2017 #82

So whatever causes us to form groups is part of that instinct. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #83

It's not part of that instinct it IS that instinct marylandblue Sep 2017 #84

Your premise is all wrong Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #93

Your "opinion" is of course noted. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #94