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Angry Dragon

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86. If your god is so great.........why is control needed??

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What sort of deific being demands: [View all] MineralMan Sep 2017 OP

Sure. And...? unblock Sep 2017 #1

That's because they're all invented by humans. MineralMan Sep 2017 #4

You raise an issue most don't want to deal with. I'll just say this... brush Sep 2017 #77

That's called abuse when it's in humans Lordquinton Sep 2017 #11

These fundy nut jobs are going for the whole ball of wax... Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2017 #2

There's always religious porn to fall back on. MineralMan Sep 2017 #3

Good point Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2017 #5

Yup. Lots of "knowing" and MineralMan Sep 2017 #6

King David and King Solomon led merry, merry lives, Glorfindel Sep 2017 #7

Hi MineralMan - Thank you for starting this discussion. Pendrench Sep 2017 #8

The New Testament is all about a New Covenant... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #9

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the "fact" that the god in that book ExciteBike66 Sep 2017 #12

Don't most Christians believe that God never changes? Mariana Sep 2017 #19

Too bad that's not the only instruction in the book. Mariana Sep 2017 #17

That's very nice. But this god still punishes Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #20

An "abomination?" yallerdawg Sep 2017 #21

"...whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." trotsky Sep 2017 #22

I guess... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #23

There's no need to guess. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #24

John 3:17 yallerdawg Sep 2017 #25

John 3:18 Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #42

Oddly enough, you don't see signs saying JOHN 3:36 very often. MineralMan Sep 2017 #40

It's described as a spiritual death, as a separation from God. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #44

Apologetics are for the religious. MineralMan Sep 2017 #45

Apologetics? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #47

The "club's" message is either hellfire and brimstone or some variation on hellfire and brimstone Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #56

Oh, I get it now! Been a while? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #57

I will NOT worship you Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #85

So you're cool with that? trotsky Sep 2017 #26

Are you not arguing... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #29

Trotsky didn't argue anything. Mariana Sep 2017 #33

Let's go to an authority: yallerdawg Sep 2017 #36

I didn't ask what that writer believes Mariana Sep 2017 #39

I believe that we don't practice religious intolerance as Americans... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #46

I can only read into this that yes, you do believe non-Christians... trotsky Sep 2017 #49

As Mariana pointed out, I'm not arguing anything. trotsky Sep 2017 #43

It doesn't matter what I believe. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #48

Actually, it does matter. trotsky Sep 2017 #50

The admonition from Christ... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #52

Totally and utterly beside the point. trotsky Sep 2017 #53

You are wrong. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #54

And when the religion causes the homophobia, etc. Mariana Sep 2017 #59

It's a simple yes or no question Lordquinton Sep 2017 #61

You think only Christians like you get to live forever in paradise. trotsky Sep 2017 #64

You want to make it about one individual? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #65

"...no issue or problem with Hindus continuing to practice and believe whatever the hell they want!" trotsky Sep 2017 #66

Obviously, you have no issue with the Hindu faith, cockroach and all. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #67

"...most Christians only want what is best for you. Is that a bad thing?" trotsky Sep 2017 #69

Someone left out "they believe" between "what" and "is best," I think. MineralMan Sep 2017 #75

What is it they say again? trotsky Sep 2017 #76

If a "devil" existed, it would consist only of details. MineralMan Sep 2017 #78

The same thing that happens to the believers. MineralMan Sep 2017 #31

Thank you for your reply. MineralMan Sep 2017 #15

"I cannot see how religion, in general, has improved how people treat each other very much." 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #28

Thanks. I agree completely. MineralMan Sep 2017 #32

I told my sons that if... 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #37

I wouldn't want to make a decision as important Mariana Sep 2017 #18

It's easy if you don't really think about it. MineralMan Sep 2017 #35

I suppose. Mariana Sep 2017 #38

Yes, often it is that they do not really know. MineralMan Sep 2017 #41

The asshole kind Cartoonist Sep 2017 #10

The very definition of genocide, isn't it? MineralMan Sep 2017 #74

The kind that was intended by his creators as a form of social control. ExciteBike66 Sep 2017 #13

Bingo! MineralMan Sep 2017 #14

One who has fooled generations of people into believing the absurd as truth. gtar100 Sep 2017 #16

This is my major contention with any religion preaching about eternity... Moostache Sep 2017 #30

That is why I like that guy in TX who is really rich and wouldnt let the victims of hurricane Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27

I did not know that about Johnny Carson, but MineralMan Sep 2017 #34

An opinion, based on a literal interpretation. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #51

This is the Religion Group, not the politics group. MineralMan Sep 2017 #58

Are we supposed to just know how to interpret every passage? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #62

I see that you have taken your argument out of this thread and MineralMan Sep 2017 #68

Your claim: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #70

A literal interpretation of what version of the Bible? MineralMan Sep 2017 #71

Then why did you pose the question in the manner that you did? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #72

I generally rely on the King James Version of the Bible MineralMan Sep 2017 #73

Was the Bible written to be a book of riddles?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #79

Are allegories riddles, do you think? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

could be .............. were the Bronze Age people smarter than today's people?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #81

Smarter? Probably the same spread of IQ scores. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #82

however the only ones with access were the priests Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #83

All about control. A very human thing. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #84

If your god is so great.........why is control needed?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #86

All about control. A very HUMAN thing. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #87

Sorry ........... my question was worded poorly Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #88

A multi-part question. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #89

A multi-part response. Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #90

What is a true Christian, as opposed to a presumably false Christian? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #91

Okay ...... I will tackle the third one first Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #92

I am not a literalist. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

I understand that........ Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #94

"Let there be light". guillaumeb Oct 2017 #95

We are not in the Bronze Age ........ 21st century Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #96

I did. That IS how I read it, and how I interpret the text. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #97

Okay ........however the Big Bang says nothing of god or that he/she created anything Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #98

If one believes that the Creator created all of existence, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #99

I wonder why you did not say that to begin with?? Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #100

I would say that the Creator "lit the fuse", so to say, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #101

"Lit the fuse" of... what? trotsky Oct 2017 #102

Thank you for this insight Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #105

The first time I heard the story of God demanding that Abraham murder his son, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #55

"No mother would go along with that demand"... uriel1972 Sep 2017 #60

Even as I was writing my above post, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #63

You probably can't understand zipplewrath Oct 2017 #103

It is more complicated than that. Mariana Oct 2017 #108

That is another issue zipplewrath Oct 2017 #109

Brought to us by white male patriarchy. WhiteTara Oct 2017 #104

Funny story -- all of the most moral, kind, caring people I know are atheists. byronius Oct 2017 #106

Yeah, well, I know some religious people who are all of those things, MineralMan Oct 2017 #107