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guillaumeb

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35. The words unaffiliated and non-believer are not synonymous.

Tue Oct 17, 2017, 02:58 PM

Oct 2017

And we know this. What is interesting to me is the fact that in Russia and China, both nominally non-religious, some studies suggest that the number of people professing a belief in the 2 countries is growing.

This might be a reaction to the suppression of religion that occurred when both countries were ruled by atheistic governments.

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The end of theism. [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

I think theism is tribalism greymattermom Oct 2017 #1

Belief systems are common to human society. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #2

Citation needed. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #3

Elaboration needed. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #5

The following unqualified assertions require qualification: Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #25

Perhaps in another post. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #32

Or perhaps not. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #43

You started this OP ....... the responders deserve to see you support YOUR OP Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #50

Wiki - "Evolutionary origin of religions." Anyone can respond, right? yallerdawg Oct 2017 #57

Yes, anyone can respond. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #63

Which doesn't really answer the question. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #82

"Many citations from multiple sources." yallerdawg Oct 2017 #83

You're proposing a deterministic explanation for the origins of religion. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #89

A psychological, evolutionary predisposition towards theism... yallerdawg Oct 2017 #90

Pretty ass-backward reasoning. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #91

Not to mention we still have this shifting of the goalposts going on. trotsky Oct 2017 #92

To be completely fair to our opponents, it is hard to keep the goalposts in one place... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #105

Are you familiar with Julian Jaynes theory of human psychological evolution? IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #108

Only passingly. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #144

"Curiosity." yallerdawg Oct 2017 #93

Really. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #104

Brown hair and blue eyes have gene codes. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #110

See, that's where you're wrong. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #152

This is like 'debating' gun humpers! yallerdawg Oct 2017 #153

I was going to say it is more like debating creationists. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #154

'Climate deniers' use this tactic, too. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #155

I assume you're talking about the tactic where they greatly overestimate their expertise? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #157

What y'all are posting could be applied sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #169

Here are some things that *could* also be applied to us: Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #173

In that order? 🙃 You had to include PB and marshmallow fluff, dint ya. 😋 sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #182

Hmm trotsky Oct 2017 #159

That's what Roy Moore believes. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #164

I'd like to discuss with you how you're still missing the point, trotsky Oct 2017 #165

Ut-oh. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #170

The tone of this reply seems somewhat different sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #194

'Everyone "knows" genetic code determines traits.' trotsky Oct 2017 #156

Everyone knows that's just epigeneticist propaganda! Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #158

You got me!! trotsky Oct 2017 #161

It *may* be theistic. It may be an idealised representation of a mother muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #151

No we don't "all know it" Lordquinton Oct 2017 #166

We're tossing out genetics and psychology, so far. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #167

Not tossing out Lordquinton Oct 2017 #189

Trust me! yallerdawg Oct 2017 #190

You nailed it. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #191

"theism, a belief in gods, has apparently existed since human society arose" trotsky Oct 2017 #49

Three lines of evidence support it marylandblue Oct 2017 #59

Well put. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Oh I agree with you, but what you're saying is not what g is claiming. trotsky Oct 2017 #84

Julian Jaynes theory of human psychological evolution provides a beautifully elegant yet obvious IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #106

That's a pretty interesting theory. trotsky Oct 2017 #112

Jaynes makes an incredibly compelling case. IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #122

I should read the book of course, but physiologically our brain structure hasn't changed much... trotsky Oct 2017 #127

He doesn't argue for any physiological changes. IamFortunesFool Oct 2017 #128

As Ironic, and true, your statement is about theism being a glue that bonds, pennylane100 Oct 2017 #4

True, all belief systems can be, and are, used in service to power. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #6

I'm glad you agree that religion is just another human idea, trotsky Oct 2017 #16

What are you claiming exactly? eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #21

That religion is just another human idea, trotsky Oct 2017 #24

I understood and agree. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #45

It was Crystal clear Lordquinton Oct 2017 #74

" saying only that it placed a larger burden on her" mitch96 Oct 2017 #15

I never felt that she was guilt tripping me. pennylane100 Oct 2017 #51

"I never felt that she was guilt tripping me." mitch96 Oct 2017 #65

It's a slow death Cartoonist Oct 2017 #7

Ah yes, the ever-receding horizon of freedom from theism. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8

Ever-approaching Cartoonist Oct 2017 #9

Scientists also predict that the sun is cooling. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #10

Did you really post that? Cartoonist Oct 2017 #11

My cat prefers cat videos to politics. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #12

Last I heard Igel Oct 2017 #67

Many in my family are quite long lived, but a billion years is probably out of reaach. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #71

Not to worry. As it cools, it'll get closer to us. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #53

Yet it is a fact there are fewer theists today than there were 25, 50, 100, or 300 years ago. trotsky Oct 2017 #14

There are fewer? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17

I don't really care, myself, how many people believe in god. trotsky Oct 2017 #18

What are you claiming exactly? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20

I am claiming that you are guilty of the argumentum ad populum fallacy. trotsky Oct 2017 #23

O know thta you are fond of making the claim, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #30

Yes, exactly. trotsky Oct 2017 #48

Indoctrination. What, like an injection or something? sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #77

Yeah, it's a forcefully injected idea. trotsky Oct 2017 #85

I haven't 'trouble' understanding as your so 'eloquent' sentence puts it. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #147

I'm glad you think you weren't indoctrinated and that you freely chose the faith... trotsky Oct 2017 #149

Word. And I yam not wanting to contend. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #172

I gave you specifics in post 46. Have fun reading. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #54

Where are the posts that predict "the end of theism"? trotsky Oct 2017 #13

The posts are numerous in the many comments at DU in the Religion Group. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #19

You made the claim, you need to support it. trotsky Oct 2017 #22

Wait. He just said there were 'numerous posts." MineralMan Oct 2017 #28

That was nearly thre identical resposne that I amde over your previous claims guillaumeb Oct 2017 #29

I will await proof of your claim. trotsky Oct 2017 #47

Similar to your own earlier claim? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

Ah, so it's true that you hold others to higher standards than you hold yourself. trotsky Oct 2017 #87

So it is true that you yourself hold to a different standard. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #94

Nope dude, this is YOUR standard. trotsky Oct 2017 #100

So when you refused to provide the links to your previous, unsupported claim, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #102

I can see you're struggling with this. trotsky Oct 2017 #103

Your evasion is transparent, and understandable. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #107

Despite my better judgment, based on ALL your past history... trotsky Oct 2017 #111

You cannot remember what you posted about theists attacking guillaumeb Oct 2017 #114

FFS trotsky Oct 2017 #115

I understand your reluctance. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #116

Well yeah, you did humiliate yourself once again. trotsky Oct 2017 #117

Certainly. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #118

Read post #7 in this link. Your own response. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #119

Fucking sweet! trotsky Oct 2017 #121

I also provided another link to another post by you guillaumeb Oct 2017 #123

Oh and here's another link proving my claim. trotsky Oct 2017 #126

I am happy to help you: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #129

LOLOLOL trotsky Oct 2017 #131

You proved nothing. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #132

I responded to your challenge. trotsky Oct 2017 #135

And if you will: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #133

Cbayer literally used the word demons. trotsky Oct 2017 #137

Carefully reread her reply. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #139

I'm sorry that you are not aware of the context and history. trotsky Oct 2017 #141

Here you go! trotsky Oct 2017 #124

From the same older thread as above, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #120

And you know why I didn't provide links when asked? trotsky Oct 2017 #125

A weak deflection. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #130

The only deflection going on now is what you're doing. trotsky Oct 2017 #134

You provided nothing showing any posts that support your dual claims guillaumeb Oct 2017 #136

So self-humiliation it is. trotsky Oct 2017 #138

Ironic indeed. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #140

Feel free to repeat it, if it makes you feel better. trotsky Oct 2017 #142

Unsupported udders. 😆😘 sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #78

I have no idea what you're talking about. trotsky Oct 2017 #86

I had tee many martoonis last nite and too much to dream. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #148

Considering that your profile says you've only been a member of DU since March 2017... trotsky Oct 2017 #150

Maybe they were time traveling martoonis. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #160

I gotta try me one of those, then. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #162

I hear they only sell them in PA. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #163

My steelworker ancestors liked them some 'boilermakers' made with Old Grandad. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #174

"Na z'drovje!" "Mens sana en corpore sano!" "A votre sante!"🍻 sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #175

Heh, heh. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #178

Hello my companion in humanity, sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #168

Pray tell, "stranger," what was your username previously? trotsky Oct 2017 #171

That would be a kinda Pandora. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #176

Are your legal briefs... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #179

Fascinating. trotsky Oct 2017 #184

You mb reading too much into this. sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #186

Possibly. Hard to know when your specific choice of words was: trotsky Oct 2017 #187

I should've added a googly eye silly kooky smilie? sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #188

Proof of this claim? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #75

Theism started dying 300 years ago. We can wait. DetlefK Oct 2017 #26

An interesting response. Thank you for it. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33

Ah, false equivocation. Never seen this rhetorical trick before. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #58

Explain your insight to those scientists who are theists. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #64

I listened to them. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #68

I have no imagination. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Religion and science cannot coexist. They are philosophically radically incompatible. DetlefK Oct 2017 #80

Another revealing response. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #95

They're not busting down my doors to form an alliance sprinkleeninow Oct 2017 #79

Really? Do you have links? MineralMan Oct 2017 #27

OK, I'll post a link, and even a chart: MineralMan Oct 2017 #31

The words unaffiliated and non-believer are not synonymous. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #35

I posted links. When you post links to back up your claims, MineralMan Oct 2017 #37

#36. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #38

My links do not say that theism is dying. MineralMan Oct 2017 #39

What I said: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #40

Theism is dying Cartoonist Oct 2017 #70

The universe will also die. Entropy wins. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #73

Careful, you're letting him move the goalposts. trotsky Oct 2017 #113

The soviets weren't atheistic. They claimed to be, but they were a theocracy that permitted no rival AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #55

Also, I see your own sleight of hand tricks. They wear thin. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #56

Here's another link, and a more recent one. MineralMan Oct 2017 #34

#29 was my response to another DU poster. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #36

Oh, dear. But you can't have read those posts before starting MineralMan Oct 2017 #41

More evasion? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #42

You added those links after the fact. MineralMan Oct 2017 #44

My fault for not indicating that the replies were edited. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #60

Let's remember that your claim is people posted about "the end of theism." trotsky Oct 2017 #88

I have had occasion to tell that user that theism is dying/declining/going away. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #52

I am impressed with your frequent condescension and sarcasm. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #101

I would have been happy to tell you all about it, if you'd asked. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #109

There you go with weasel words like 'many'. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #46

Waning. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #66

Indeed it is. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #69

Tribalism indeed. elleng Oct 2017 #76

It started when proto-humans walked upright. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #96

Yes, social creatures, elleng Oct 2017 #99

Are Buddhists theists? No god in Buddhism Bretton Garcia Oct 2017 #81

Ask a Buddhist. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #97

These are modern western distinctions marylandblue Oct 2017 #98

Buddhism is nontheistic vlyons Oct 2017 #181

The Big Picture KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #143

Atheists don't have to say with total certainty Mariana Oct 2017 #145

I agree, Mariana KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #146

That day can't come soon enough Orrex Oct 2017 #177

Buddhism is a non-theistic practice vlyons Oct 2017 #180

Post 98 modifies this somewhat. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #183

marylandblue (post 98) vlyons Oct 2017 #185

I think I didn't make myself clear marylandblue Oct 2017 #192

Clear to me also. Thanks to Vlyons for the information. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #193

You're describing tradition vlyons Oct 2017 #195

"I have read posts here talking about the end of theism." trotsky Oct 2017 #196

No, you did not. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #197

Yes, I did. trotsky Oct 2017 #198

Have fun with your game. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #199

I did. trotsky Oct 2017 #200