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1. Intolerance of and by Christianity and other religions have been the cause of more wars

Thu Oct 26, 2017, 09:25 PM

Oct 2017

than anything else. Seems to be the ultimate hypocracy for way too many so-called followers. Very few act truly Christ-like.

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What is Christianity? [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Intolerance of and by Christianity and other religions have been the cause of more wars democratisphere Oct 2017 #1

Let us examine that claim. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #3

Sure does. democratisphere Oct 2017 #6

Is that what it tells you? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #13

It might, but there could also be other factors, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17

Hence "we should look at" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #23

I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #24

We have looked Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #38

The US is predominantly theist. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #42

Possibly more represented in prison Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #45

You don't really "get" statistics, do you? trotsky Oct 2017 #46

I hate to interrupt all of the congratulations, but......... guillaumeb Oct 2017 #53

And now the point moves to explaining exactly why inmates aren't atheists. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #59

No, the point goes to socioeconomic background, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

Socioeconomic background to explain why atheists don't populate prisons Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #69

If you missed the point, try reading the linked article. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #77

No thanks, I'm aware of the data. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #81

He's a pivot master, to be sure. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #67

He'll scream all day long that someone else is "shifting" or "pivoting"... trotsky Oct 2017 #106

Increasing atheism does seem tied to lower prison populations in lots of ways, though. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #107

So you must understand the statistics... trotsky Oct 2017 #66

And you totally avoid what you cannot refute. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #75

See, you gotta give me something to refute first. trotsky Oct 2017 #100

If this claim were modified Brainstormy Oct 2017 #36

So have violence and wars based on patriotism. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41

#Whataboutism trotsky Oct 2017 #47

Entirely true Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #50

Trump might, if he thought they were Pacific Islands hit by North Korea marylandblue Oct 2017 #52

No, they start wars for flags and beliefs. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

You're back to whataboutism again Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #58

And we understand if you are reluctant to admit that there is anything good as well. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #60

Why would you assume I have nothing kind to say about religion? Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #68

Another marvelous turn of phrase. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #76

Saying that on balance something is bad Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #79

Another marvelous turn of phrase. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #82

I forgot the mountain part. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #84

which have usually been justified Brainstormy Oct 2017 #73

I'll bite... Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #2

Obviously your opinion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4

your opinion is not my point, but we are not in disagreement. Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #5

Your post asked What is Christianity Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #10

Christianity is the claim that an all-just all-knowing God told us His will in the Bible marylandblue Oct 2017 #7

It can offer a template. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #25

So can everything else. marylandblue Oct 2017 #34

Whatever works for you should be your template. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #40

If we can come up with something just as good on our own marylandblue Oct 2017 #44

As I said, whatever works for you should be your template. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #57

Christianity makes the grandest claims for itself marylandblue Oct 2017 #65

So my tolerance is a weak defense? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #74

Tolerance is not a defense and debate is not judgement marylandblue Oct 2017 #85

We can debate, but there is very little demonstrated tolerance guillaumeb Oct 2017 #88

I believe that poster was being metaphorical marylandblue Oct 2017 #91

Agreed. A few Christians at DU tell me that they avoid this group guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

Foundations of intolerance claiming others are being intolerant of them? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #119

Interesting how you apparently have this feeling that you can speak for theists. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #121

You know that most atheists started out as theists Lordquinton Oct 2017 #123

I have a minor quibble with your subject line. Mariana Oct 2017 #127

Technically yes Lordquinton Oct 2017 #132

You avoided my question. Why? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #128

...Really? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #133

So Trump's template works for him. trotsky Oct 2017 #49

Trump's template works for him. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

But that doesn't make it right marylandblue Oct 2017 #87

I did not say that it was correct. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #90

You seem unwilling or unable to draw inferences from posts marylandblue Oct 2017 #94

I have dealt with trotsky for a while. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #96

Anyone can go back and read those posts and decide for themselves if you are telling the truth. trotsky Oct 2017 #102

I was actually responding to another poster. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #109

Well what a relief they have your permission! n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #141

I haven't been here very long marylandblue Oct 2017 #124

I understand what you are saying, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #130

There is a subtext to your comments and questions as well marylandblue Oct 2017 #134

While I can't absolutely speak for others Lordquinton Oct 2017 #135

Yeah, I can see that, but marylandblue Oct 2017 #136

It's been explained multiple times in detail Lordquinton Oct 2017 #138

He claims it only ever happens in this Group. Mariana Oct 2017 #139

I imagine there is less to argue about on the political side marylandblue Oct 2017 #140

Artist inspiration comes from many places edhopper Oct 2017 #8

It is, as are all religions that default to a fundemental... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #9

I have never alerted to date. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #18

"Culture commits violence" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #11

Oh, snap! n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #15

#19 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20

Yep, 19 is a number. trotsky Oct 2017 #29

Avoiding something? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

Nothing substantive, nope. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #43

Nothing substantive? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

Nope. trotsky Oct 2017 #64

Your attempt at sarcasm and framing is noted. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Excellent! trotsky Oct 2017 #99

Religion is inseparable from human culture? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #19

Not in the way you are proposing, no. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #26

Which begs the question of exactly what did you mean? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #27

Still not how you use "beg the question" Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #33

My error. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #55

Still wrong. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #113

I can't explain that until you clarify what it is you mean. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #48

I wrote this: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #56

Not that it is relevant. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #112

But if all Ford Mustangs are cars Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #32

If you're using Cain and Abel to say violence has always been present with mankind Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #12

Ouch. trotsky Oct 2017 #16

As I said: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #21

But if it's not literally true Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #31

"every culture commits violence" trotsky Oct 2017 #14

To your last statement, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #22

No shit. trotsky Oct 2017 #30

There is also a trend line between wealth and quality of life Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #35

It is whatever a believer wants it to be at a given moment. DetlefK Oct 2017 #28

Every believer brings himself/herself to the debate. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Why do you insist on mixing history and mythology? AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #37

History is always mixed with mythology. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #63

Your takeaway from the "lost cause" mythology is that fiction is part of history? Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #70

Fiction is always a part of history. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

I've got three passports, a couple of visas. Don't even know my real name. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #83

So are you conceding my point about myth being inseperable from history? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #86

Quite the opposite. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #89

The mistake you are making is misunderstanding what was said. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #92

Make up your mind Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #95

History is also the myth. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #97

History records that those things happened and it judges them. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #98

I think you've confused History(TM) and Legend Building History. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #71

Correct, but Legend Building History is what gets attention marylandblue Oct 2017 #104

I feel like that's changing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #105

An excellent addition to the thread. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #111

Agreed, but many people believe the mythical version. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

That's what makes the Bible such a good book marylandblue Oct 2017 #114

Just don't read the originals, then. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #115

I like the story of Exodus marylandblue Oct 2017 #116

To each their own, then. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #117

oh lordy, it is a horrible story about a terrible god who slaughters innocents Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #126

Remember, the Bible says that God hardened Pharoah's heart. Mariana Oct 2017 #129

It's a story of the Ancient Near East marylandblue Oct 2017 #137

Christianity is whatever a Christian wants it to be. Mariana Oct 2017 #101

It's a patriarchal religion SHRED Oct 2017 #103

Hey, was woman still crawling when man first walked upright? delisen Oct 2017 #108

I am quite certain that you know that the word "man" was meant to refer guillaumeb Oct 2017 #122

If you meant Homo sapiens I think it would be best delisen Oct 2017 #125

Thank you for the clarification. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #131

Oh, Christ! What could it be? rock Oct 2017 #118

That depends entirely on whom you ask. MineralMan Oct 2017 #120