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Lordquinton

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135. While I can't absolutely speak for others

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 03:17 PM

Oct 2017

I will propose that we have no trouble seeing what is going on.

Let's go back to the Nazi discussion. The question asked was "Should we tolerate the KKK and Nazis? Yes or no" This is a very straightforward question with an obvious answer. The answer given was "Is it legal to be a KKK or Nazi member in the US. Yes, so it is legally tolerated." He hastily reframed the question and answered what he himself asked. Unfortunately this is also a common tactic of white supremacists to defend their own intolerable beliefs so in an attempt to reframe and twist the conversation he ended up defending nazis.

Instead of backing down and clarifying what he actually meant, he doubled down, and claimed that everyone else was wrong.

It's really predictable and tiring, and I'm anticipating another new thread tomorrow, because Sunday is usually a slow day around here.

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What is Christianity? [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP

Intolerance of and by Christianity and other religions have been the cause of more wars democratisphere Oct 2017 #1

Let us examine that claim. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #3

Sure does. democratisphere Oct 2017 #6

Is that what it tells you? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #13

It might, but there could also be other factors, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17

Hence "we should look at" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #23

I agree. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #24

We have looked Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #38

The US is predominantly theist. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #42

Possibly more represented in prison Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #45

You don't really "get" statistics, do you? trotsky Oct 2017 #46

I hate to interrupt all of the congratulations, but......... guillaumeb Oct 2017 #53

And now the point moves to explaining exactly why inmates aren't atheists. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #59

No, the point goes to socioeconomic background, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #61

Socioeconomic background to explain why atheists don't populate prisons Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #69

If you missed the point, try reading the linked article. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #77

No thanks, I'm aware of the data. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #81

He's a pivot master, to be sure. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #67

He'll scream all day long that someone else is "shifting" or "pivoting"... trotsky Oct 2017 #106

Increasing atheism does seem tied to lower prison populations in lots of ways, though. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #107

So you must understand the statistics... trotsky Oct 2017 #66

And you totally avoid what you cannot refute. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #75

See, you gotta give me something to refute first. trotsky Oct 2017 #100

If this claim were modified Brainstormy Oct 2017 #36

So have violence and wars based on patriotism. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #41

#Whataboutism trotsky Oct 2017 #47

Entirely true Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #50

Trump might, if he thought they were Pacific Islands hit by North Korea marylandblue Oct 2017 #52

No, they start wars for flags and beliefs. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #54

You're back to whataboutism again Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #58

And we understand if you are reluctant to admit that there is anything good as well. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #60

Why would you assume I have nothing kind to say about religion? Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #68

Another marvelous turn of phrase. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #76

Saying that on balance something is bad Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #79

Another marvelous turn of phrase. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #82

I forgot the mountain part. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #84

which have usually been justified Brainstormy Oct 2017 #73

I'll bite... Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #2

Obviously your opinion. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4

your opinion is not my point, but we are not in disagreement. Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #5

Your post asked What is Christianity Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #10

Christianity is the claim that an all-just all-knowing God told us His will in the Bible marylandblue Oct 2017 #7

It can offer a template. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #25

So can everything else. marylandblue Oct 2017 #34

Whatever works for you should be your template. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #40

If we can come up with something just as good on our own marylandblue Oct 2017 #44

As I said, whatever works for you should be your template. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #57

Christianity makes the grandest claims for itself marylandblue Oct 2017 #65

So my tolerance is a weak defense? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #74

Tolerance is not a defense and debate is not judgement marylandblue Oct 2017 #85

We can debate, but there is very little demonstrated tolerance guillaumeb Oct 2017 #88

I believe that poster was being metaphorical marylandblue Oct 2017 #91

Agreed. A few Christians at DU tell me that they avoid this group guillaumeb Oct 2017 #93

Foundations of intolerance claiming others are being intolerant of them? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #119

Interesting how you apparently have this feeling that you can speak for theists. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #121

You know that most atheists started out as theists Lordquinton Oct 2017 #123

I have a minor quibble with your subject line. Mariana Oct 2017 #127

Technically yes Lordquinton Oct 2017 #132

You avoided my question. Why? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #128

...Really? Lordquinton Oct 2017 #133

So Trump's template works for him. trotsky Oct 2017 #49

Trump's template works for him. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #80

But that doesn't make it right marylandblue Oct 2017 #87

I did not say that it was correct. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #90

You seem unwilling or unable to draw inferences from posts marylandblue Oct 2017 #94

I have dealt with trotsky for a while. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #96

Anyone can go back and read those posts and decide for themselves if you are telling the truth. trotsky Oct 2017 #102

I was actually responding to another poster. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #109

Well what a relief they have your permission! n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #141

I haven't been here very long marylandblue Oct 2017 #124

I understand what you are saying, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #130

There is a subtext to your comments and questions as well marylandblue Oct 2017 #134

While I can't absolutely speak for others Lordquinton Oct 2017 #135

Yeah, I can see that, but marylandblue Oct 2017 #136

It's been explained multiple times in detail Lordquinton Oct 2017 #138

He claims it only ever happens in this Group. Mariana Oct 2017 #139

I imagine there is less to argue about on the political side marylandblue Oct 2017 #140

Artist inspiration comes from many places edhopper Oct 2017 #8

It is, as are all religions that default to a fundemental... NeoGreen Oct 2017 #9

I have never alerted to date. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #18

"Culture commits violence" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #11

Oh, snap! n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #15

#19 guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20

Yep, 19 is a number. trotsky Oct 2017 #29

Avoiding something? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

Nothing substantive, nope. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #43

Nothing substantive? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

Nope. trotsky Oct 2017 #64

Your attempt at sarcasm and framing is noted. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #72

Excellent! trotsky Oct 2017 #99

Religion is inseparable from human culture? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #19

Not in the way you are proposing, no. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #26

Which begs the question of exactly what did you mean? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #27

Still not how you use "beg the question" Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #33

My error. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #55

Still wrong. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #113

I can't explain that until you clarify what it is you mean. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #48

I wrote this: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #56

Not that it is relevant. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #112

But if all Ford Mustangs are cars Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #32

If you're using Cain and Abel to say violence has always been present with mankind Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #12

Ouch. trotsky Oct 2017 #16

As I said: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #21

But if it's not literally true Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #31

"every culture commits violence" trotsky Oct 2017 #14

To your last statement, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #22

No shit. trotsky Oct 2017 #30

There is also a trend line between wealth and quality of life Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #35

It is whatever a believer wants it to be at a given moment. DetlefK Oct 2017 #28

Every believer brings himself/herself to the debate. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #62

Why do you insist on mixing history and mythology? AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #37

History is always mixed with mythology. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #63

Your takeaway from the "lost cause" mythology is that fiction is part of history? Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #70

Fiction is always a part of history. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #78

I've got three passports, a couple of visas. Don't even know my real name. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #83

So are you conceding my point about myth being inseperable from history? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #86

Quite the opposite. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #89

The mistake you are making is misunderstanding what was said. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #92

Make up your mind Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #95

History is also the myth. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #97

History records that those things happened and it judges them. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #98

I think you've confused History(TM) and Legend Building History. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #71

Correct, but Legend Building History is what gets attention marylandblue Oct 2017 #104

I feel like that's changing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #105

An excellent addition to the thread. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #111

Agreed, but many people believe the mythical version. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #110

That's what makes the Bible such a good book marylandblue Oct 2017 #114

Just don't read the originals, then. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #115

I like the story of Exodus marylandblue Oct 2017 #116

To each their own, then. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2017 #117

oh lordy, it is a horrible story about a terrible god who slaughters innocents Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #126

Remember, the Bible says that God hardened Pharoah's heart. Mariana Oct 2017 #129

It's a story of the Ancient Near East marylandblue Oct 2017 #137

Christianity is whatever a Christian wants it to be. Mariana Oct 2017 #101

It's a patriarchal religion SHRED Oct 2017 #103

Hey, was woman still crawling when man first walked upright? delisen Oct 2017 #108

I am quite certain that you know that the word "man" was meant to refer guillaumeb Oct 2017 #122

If you meant Homo sapiens I think it would be best delisen Oct 2017 #125

Thank you for the clarification. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #131

Oh, Christ! What could it be? rock Oct 2017 #118

That depends entirely on whom you ask. MineralMan Oct 2017 #120