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struggle4progress

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Mon May 7, 2012, 08:32 AM May 2012

What do atheists mean when they talk about religion? [View all]

Rowan Williams
ABC Religion and Ethics
13 Apr 2012

In Dostoevsky's novel The Idiot, the tormented and indeterminate hero - or rather, anti-hero - Prince Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin is asked at one point whether he believes in god or not, and his reply is characteristically inconclusive. But, he says, what troubles him is that the atheist always seems to be talking about "something else."

"The essence of religious feeling does not fall under the province of any reasoning, or any crimes and misdemeanours, or any atheist doctrines; there's something else here, and it will always be something else, there is something that atheist doctrines will eternally glide over and they will eternally be speaking of 'something else'."


I want to try here to identify what that "something else" is that atheists seem to be talking about. In other words, what do they think it is that they are talking about when they talk about religious belief and practice? Because I don't think it is very much use carrying on with the current discussion unless we have clarified what they think they mean.

Let me suggest that there are two things that atheists think they are talking about, and two ways in which they construe the notion of religious belief and practice. The first is that religion is a kind of strategy; the second is that religion is a kind of explanation ...

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/04/13/3476269.htm

This article was referenced in the article linked in another OP here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/121825688
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The archbishop can go fuck himself. Goblinmonger May 2012 #1
You're a such cheery sunbeam today! struggle4progress May 2012 #2
Oh, I'm sorry. Goblinmonger May 2012 #3
You've certainly got this one pegged. darkstar3 May 2012 #20
If I keep reading here I can get rid of all of my cats. rug May 2012 #19
Goblinmonger's answer was the correct one. 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #42
Thank you. djean111 May 2012 #5
I caught that also, and decided to read no further. madmom May 2012 #15
Personally I follow the Loftus line intaglio May 2012 #4
I believe in spirits, but djean111 May 2012 #6
Religions don't have to include worship intaglio May 2012 #8
Actually, no. I don't. djean111 May 2012 #9
That "calm knowledge" of something that many people would find disputable... Silent3 May 2012 #23
but it doesn't matter if others find it disputable. djean111 May 2012 #25
Part of what makes religion religion... Silent3 May 2012 #26
No matter how you twist it and turn it, djean111 May 2012 #27
Your personal lack of need for proof is the very point I'm making. Silent3 May 2012 #28
You are getting a bit shrill and nonsensical. djean111 May 2012 #32
Whether you'd consider yourself "stunned" is hardly central to what I'm saying Silent3 May 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #29
How fallible tama May 2012 #37
How much doubt does doubt require? Silent3 May 2012 #38
OK tama May 2012 #39
Works for me. n/t Silent3 May 2012 #40
just a calm knowledge of what happened to me personally. AlbertCat May 2012 #33
Well, no djean111 May 2012 #34
How on earth did you get the idea that you can state with certainty what my childhood was like? AlbertCat May 2012 #35
Personally I follow the Loftus line AlbertCat May 2012 #30
Of course it's always "something else." trotsky May 2012 #7
Two answers, Bish. dmallind May 2012 #10
I want to Rec this post about a billion times. trotsky May 2012 #12
+6.022×10²³! n/t Silent3 May 2012 #21
n/t Plantaganet May 2012 #41
"Something else" is an ingenious way of saying it. Jim__ May 2012 #11
As an atheist, I have a very clear message that I want every religious person to hear. pennylane100 May 2012 #13
You hit the point! bongbong May 2012 #18
Typical arrogant theist bullshit. mr blur May 2012 #14
What do people who don't collect stamps "believe" about stamp collecting? stopbush May 2012 #16
Well, whatever it is Goblinmonger May 2012 #17
But then again, there are those that don't now collect stamps but... edcantor May 2012 #22
Do you mean "Progressive" Stamp Collecting? nt mr blur May 2012 #24
You just don't understand other ways of collecting. AlbertCat May 2012 #31
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