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19. Here's another link.

Reply to uriel1972 (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:31 PM

Dec 2011

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I think they're trying to protect the First Commandment from Communism.

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No religion for Chinese Communist Party cadres [View all] rug Dec 2011 OP

The communist parties uriel1972 Dec 2011 #1

You have a loose definition of religion. rug Dec 2011 #2

Religion, hmmm uriel1972 Dec 2011 #3

Hmmm. rug Dec 2011 #4

What holy books, saints, and priests do atheism have? laconicsax Dec 2011 #5

A religion only has to have a deity or deities... Silent3 Dec 2011 #6

He's talking about China and North Korea. rug Dec 2011 #8

Buddhism, Hinduism, etc...it depends, really. laconicsax Dec 2011 #10

Somehow I don't think he's calling North Korea a Hindu society. rug Dec 2011 #11

Way to shift the goalposts. laconicsax Dec 2011 #13

No, I wanted to know what you'd call his description of NK without a god. rug Dec 2011 #15

"he's described a religion without a god. What would you call that?" laconicsax Dec 2011 #17

Marx and Mao for a start uriel1972 Dec 2011 #7

Cite the evidence that they have been given the attributes of a god. rug Dec 2011 #9

You're right, Marx and Mao couldn't be gods EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #12

The topic is evidence that they have been given the attributes of a god. rug Dec 2011 #14

Nope, just being snarky EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #16

A bit of a google search later uriel1972 Dec 2011 #18

Here's another link. rug Dec 2011 #19

So google doesn't like me eh. uriel1972 Dec 2011 #20

WHOA!! Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #35

Evidence Shmevidence! Eliminator Dec 2011 #58

They are no more treated as dieties than George Washington and Lincoln. They humblebum Dec 2011 #21

Horseshit. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #22

If they are Marxist-Leninists they are atheists. You can throw out your "horseshit" retort all you humblebum Dec 2011 #23

And there you go, completely ignoring the facts that contradict you. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #24

So, are your saying that that Marxist-Leninism is not atheistic or are you saying that atheism humblebum Dec 2011 #28

Now you present a false choice. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #30

So, add to the list of choices and explain yourself. nt humblebum Dec 2011 #31

That's a rather narrow definition of deity laconicsax Dec 2011 #25

No one said "that a deity must miraculously cure disease or promise life after death?" I used those humblebum Dec 2011 #32

You set up both as required attributes. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #34

Where? humblebum Dec 2011 #40

In #21 laconicsax Dec 2011 #43

I am using that post as evidence. Nowhere in there did I say that those were required nor humblebum Dec 2011 #44

And, according to you, that they never did those things excluded them from the deity club. laconicsax Dec 2011 #46

You are just piling one falsehood upon another, aren't you? humblebum Dec 2011 #50

You should try owning up to your own words. laconicsax Dec 2011 #56

You might try quoting the things the you falsely attribute to me too, instead of digging humblebum Dec 2011 #59

I believe your exact words were... laconicsax Dec 2011 #60

We have already been through this and NOWHERE in there is anything humblebum Dec 2011 #61

Your words were quite clear. I stand by my assertions. laconicsax Dec 2011 #62

Well sir, then your are a chronic truth stretcher to put it mildly. You have made false accusations. humblebum Dec 2011 #63

I'd like to see some proof for that. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #64

You are being ridiculous now. You've made a series of false statements about me. humblebum Dec 2011 #65

I made no statements about you, just about what you said. laconicsax Dec 2011 #66

Don't play coy. What I said in no way resembles your accusations. Good night.nt humblebum Dec 2011 #68

That's hardly a solid refutation. laconicsax Dec 2011 #69

What rebuttal? I said what I said, and what I said doesn't jive with humblebum Dec 2011 #70

If there's nothing more to be said, why do you keep replying? laconicsax Dec 2011 #71

Not all religions with deities promise life after death LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #38

In that case, one could easily consider organized atheism a religion. But, you are right, each of humblebum Dec 2011 #41

Only if there was really such a thing as organized atheism as such LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #47

Atheism has become extremely organized, as is evidenced by the huge number humblebum Dec 2011 #51

Much of that was done directly in the name of atheism. nt humblebum Dec 2011 #52

In NK, the deity is Dear Leader. iris27 Dec 2011 #27

And that he made Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #39

I heard it was eleven pokerfan Dec 2011 #67

The rulers and political leaders LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #37

Since when do you need to PROVE the deity?!?!! Eliminator Dec 2011 #57

Of course if we were Tea Partiers we could claim it's just "Democrat Big Government." Jim__ Dec 2011 #55

The real issue, it seems to me, is that a self-described atheist state is limiting the freedom of Critters2 Dec 2011 #26

And they're limiting the freedom of belief of their citizens because they are atheists? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #29

And the spin just keeps comin'. nt humblebum Dec 2011 #45

The CCP is an ideological group yes, uriel1972 Dec 2011 #33

Well, except the Chinese version of Communism, of course LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #36

Yes, and both killed of millions of people who opposed them humblebum Dec 2011 #42

Bush only killed thousands, not millions, through his war in Iraq LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #48

Yeh. humblebum Dec 2011 #49

LOL darkstar3 Dec 2011 #53

You might want to provide some proof to the contrary then. humblebum Dec 2011 #54