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AtheistCrusader

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50. Depends on the usage of 'atheist' and 'agnostic'.

Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:54 PM

Nov 2017

Gnosticism is knowledge.
Theism is belief.

I'm an agnostic atheist, because I do not believe, and do not perceive the need to believe, but on the other hand, I lack the discoverable knowledge to determine that there is not, never was, and never will be a 'god like thing'. I must allow the possibility that there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being that does not want me to perceive it. I don't believe it (atheist), but I cannot know for sure (agnostic).

It's also possible to be a agnostic theist. Deism would be an example. They think there is a god, believe that there is a god, but believe it is unknowable to us (not an Abrahamic faith).

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Your second paragraph says it all. 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #1

Yes Zambero Nov 2017 #2

Always, the escape clause... longship Nov 2017 #3

Thoughts and prayers? Are they a waste of time, then? MineralMan Nov 2017 #4

It goes to the concept that there's some spooky guy in the sky to pray to. longship Nov 2017 #12

Before I became agnostic, I concluded that.God was marylandblue Nov 2017 #5

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I am stuck with agnosticism I think marylandblue Nov 2017 #14

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Humans are a flawed and failed species. democratisphere Nov 2017 #7

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Your argument is pseudo-profound doo-doo. DetlefK Nov 2017 #8

Thank you for your assessment. Really. MineralMan Nov 2017 #9

I could have used a different word, but I think "doo-doo" properly conveys my feelings. DetlefK Nov 2017 #10

Well, we all use the words that are in our active vocabulary. MineralMan Nov 2017 #11

Hehe. You said "vocabulary". DetlefK Nov 2017 #13

God works in mysterious ways. Accept it, just like FOX News. Hoyt Nov 2017 #15

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Our relationship with God... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #17

Circular reasoning. MineralMan Nov 2017 #19

Oh, bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #21

Same kind of thing Satan said to Jesus high on a mountain! yallerdawg Nov 2017 #22

Good point. True Dough Nov 2017 #28

For claiming not to be a Christian, trotsky Nov 2017 #23

Broadly condemning and provoking Christians and their beliefs... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #24

"thoughts and prayers" keeps us from even having a discussion about... trotsky Nov 2017 #25

I and many others can feel compassion and empathy. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #29

None of what you said addresses my post. trotsky Nov 2017 #41

I addressed your post exactly... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #48

Nope, you didn't. trotsky Nov 2017 #56

One of the most devistating stories from the Bible Lordquinton Nov 2017 #34

I'm glad you can synopsize the Bible in a couple misinformed sentences. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #39

Why do all counter arguments leave out the important detail Lordquinton Nov 2017 #82

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Start with The Fall... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #63

Not granting the claimed situation is real, but if I were given a choice between free will AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #65

See? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #67

I would have the same choice that humans illustrated in the bible had. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #72

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I would choose to reject knowing what I know now. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #80

"You would choose to sin and put your soul in eternal jeopardy." trotsky Nov 2017 #83

God does not work that way. safeinOhio Nov 2017 #18

See. You used reason, rather than prayer. MineralMan Nov 2017 #20

Sounds like the semi- religious logic of a Republican... Kleveland Nov 2017 #64

No that is always the bullshit easy way out gopiscrap Nov 2017 #26

The shooter was an atheist Not Ruth Nov 2017 #27

But the people in the church weren't. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #33

Not known at this time. The facebook 'screencap' indicating such, was fabricated. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #52

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Someone on another thread said "All accounts I've seen indicate he was an atheist." Not Ruth Nov 2017 #71

I'm sorry, but that isn't really evidence of anything. MineralMan Nov 2017 #73

I suppose that I could have challenged it Not Ruth Nov 2017 #74

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You state that like it's a bald fact. Mariana Nov 2017 #84

Updated as requested Not Ruth Nov 2017 #85

Same thing regarding True Dough Nov 2017 #30

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So if you say that while standing over the body of a dead child Doreen Nov 2017 #31

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Makes no sense at all zipplewrath Nov 2017 #35

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Logic is the beginning of wisdom zipplewrath Nov 2017 #38

Faulty premise; faulty logic. MineralMan Nov 2017 #40

Faith based reasoning zipplewrath Nov 2017 #42

I'll just let you think about that. MineralMan Nov 2017 #43

You're not as clever as you imagine. zipplewrath Nov 2017 #55

Hmm...your three steps are not the ones I followed at all. MineralMan Nov 2017 #59

You may not have zipplewrath Nov 2017 #62

Lack of faith. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #54

Neither was the OP claim zipplewrath Nov 2017 #57

Easy to understand things that don't exist. 'Hey it doesn't exist!'; understanding achieved. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #53

I wasn't quoting the bible zipplewrath Nov 2017 #58

Sorry, it seemed like an intentional usage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #61

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I haven't a clue what God's plan is... HopeAgain Nov 2017 #45

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Exactly. I understand what he does for me, HopeAgain Nov 2017 #66

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Free will is the answer. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #79

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