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Glorfindel

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55. Here's pretty much what the Bible says about such a woman
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:51 PM
Nov 2017

1 Timothy Chapter 5, Vs 3-13
3 Honour widows that are widows indeed.

4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.

5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.

8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

9 Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.


10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.


13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

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In the christian religion, there are always a rationalizations for everything that happens. And RKP5637 Nov 2017 #1
Yup. It's all a freaking mystery, isn't it? MineralMan Nov 2017 #2
Uh oh, now you're going to be accused of religious intolerance. trotsky Nov 2017 #3
It's no secret. That is the oft-stated doctrine MineralMan Nov 2017 #4
Well yeah but you can't talk about it *like that*, you see. trotsky Nov 2017 #7
That is ridiculous. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #8
Ridiculous? trotsky Nov 2017 #10
the lord murdered those people and jesus did nothing to stop it. "shall not perish" LOL nt msongs Nov 2017 #29
I beg to differ with you. MineralMan Nov 2017 #11
See. Now you're adding in the true core of Christianity. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #12
No, he covered all that Lordquinton Nov 2017 #16
"They're in a better place now." MineralMan Nov 2017 #17
Redemption and forgiveness. Mariana Nov 2017 #26
You'll have to ask them. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #30
"They believe they come up short everyday" trotsky Nov 2017 #32
You don't believe this? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #33
The question is, should everyone believe it? trotsky Nov 2017 #35
You have a twisted concept of the core message of Christianity. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #38
You agree that the core message is that of CONDITIONAL love. trotsky Nov 2017 #39
The sacrifice is unconditional. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #40
What a free choice! trotsky Nov 2017 #44
If you believe there is no afterlife... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #63
I care because it's a fucking horrible idea. trotsky Nov 2017 #66
Stop cherry picking out of the book, please. Mariana Nov 2017 #43
We all perish. Inarguable. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #47
You have said in the past that you are not a Christian. trotsky Nov 2017 #48
I just think many here have a distorted view of true Christianity. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #50
You aren't a Christian. Who are you to define Christianity? trotsky Nov 2017 #51
"True Christianity" Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #59
You condemn and disparage believers... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #61
No, really. Tell us more. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #65
Many believers should be disparaged and condemned. Mariana Nov 2017 #71
Do you believe ISIS and Al-Qaeda... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #96
Good luck in your debate. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #105
Thank you! yallerdawg Nov 2017 #110
Yallerdawg, you are not a Christian? You sound like a Christian. marylandblue Nov 2017 #95
I want to defend faith and people of faith. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #97
The book clearly says that we DON'T all perish. Mariana Nov 2017 #49
NOW you have nailed the core soul of Christianity. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #52
Let me "cherry pick" another. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #57
And the book clearly says that is everyone. Mariana Nov 2017 #72
Christianity exists because we want to be better! yallerdawg Nov 2017 #73
But the problem only exists because Christianity says it is one. trotsky Nov 2017 #74
You have this insistence on labeling people. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #77
And you have this insistence on changing the topic when you can't defend your position. trotsky Nov 2017 #79
You just ask the same thing over and over. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #82
Yeah, I'm pretty stupid. Thanks. trotsky Nov 2017 #84
Try Post 82. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #86
I ask the same question because you won't answer it. trotsky Nov 2017 #88
One can observe a certain pattern and similarity to your posts. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #107
That's a broad brush statement. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #114
Yeah, I often repeat the question when someone refuses to answer it. trotsky Nov 2017 #117
Here's pretty much what the Bible says about such a woman Glorfindel Nov 2017 #55
Ah, such a message of love. trotsky Nov 2017 #67
They believe that because the core of Christianity Mariana Nov 2017 #34
Not the core. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #36
Yes, the core. trotsky Nov 2017 #37
That is called an observation. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #42
So here we are. trotsky Nov 2017 #45
Assumption and observation, yes. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #58
But without that assumption, what *you* call the core is utterly meaningless and unnecessary. trotsky Nov 2017 #68
you do know that this doctrine applies to new born babies, right? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #131
Another assumption and observation - with a solution! yallerdawg Nov 2017 #137
well there is always word salad as an argument. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #139
Sometimes it's a good and positive thing, I suppose. Mariana Nov 2017 #41
I think the only core belief of Christianity is that the world is saved through Jesus marylandblue Nov 2017 #31
The core belief is that the world needs to be saved, I think. Mariana Nov 2017 #53
Yes, but lots of variation on the details marylandblue Nov 2017 #54
So you have defined the core of Christianity? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #99
Oh, by all means. MineralMan Nov 2017 #100
And you feel at all qualified to define what billions believe? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #101
You offered. Please proceed. MineralMan Nov 2017 #103
No, I am content to accept that you are the official "definer" guillaumeb Nov 2017 #104
OK then. MineralMan Nov 2017 #106
A far better answer than your "definition" of Christianity. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #108
You should direct that same post at your friend yallerdawg. trotsky Nov 2017 #116
Is it back to all about me? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #138
In this case, yes. trotsky Nov 2017 #141
If I remember correctly, Romans 3:23: All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Still Blue in PDX Nov 2017 #46
Marketing 101 Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #9
Those poor babies who had just started their lives. My heart breaks..n/t monmouth4 Nov 2017 #5
"In a better place" has always been particularly frightening Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #6
No, belief in an afterlife means you're not afraid of or dreading death. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #25
Excuse meeee.... wcmagumba Nov 2017 #56
Which is why people who believe in an afterlife spend more on end of life medical treatment... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #69
Or maybe they have been more richly rewarded in this life... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #78
Oh, FFS! dhol82 Nov 2017 #109
That would be a confusing conclusion. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #113
There are a lot fewer atheists... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #124
Yes, it always skews the numbers. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #125
Per capita? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #127
Thanks! Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #128
If this is what you want to hang your hat on... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #129
In your expert opinion... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #130
you left out :crickets: Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #132
Wow, WTF dude. trotsky Nov 2017 #119
What would be the secular, godless message to these people suffering? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #13
So secular, godless people can't comfort anyone? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #14
All I see here is... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #22
That's great. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #24
It would be, "What a horrible thing to have happened!" MineralMan Nov 2017 #15
We are to believe that's not good enough. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #19
Apparently so. MineralMan Nov 2017 #21
No that's the theistic response Lordquinton Nov 2017 #18
Bingo! MineralMan Nov 2017 #20
How 'bout let's speak out for the victims pandr32 Nov 2017 #28
An appropriate Vonnegut allusion, from Slaughterhouse Five. longship Nov 2017 #23
My dad never went to church but my mom did so when he died blueinredohio Nov 2017 #27
The only way they can justify these senseless murders. The fact is they are simply dead The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #60
That's my opinion, as well. MineralMan Nov 2017 #62
You hope. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #64
Nope. It's not a matter of hope. MineralMan Nov 2017 #70
I think Yallerdawg is implying Mariana Nov 2017 #75
That IS the wager, isn't it? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #80
You're not a Christian. trotsky Nov 2017 #81
As a gambler... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #83
Prove to me that there are only 4 options. trotsky Nov 2017 #85
From wiki: yallerdawg Nov 2017 #87
From me: trotsky Nov 2017 #89
Silly wabbit. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #90
How do you know Pascal picked the right god? trotsky Nov 2017 #91
I don't understand why you keep repeating something I have never said. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #92
So, no response to any of the questions? trotsky Nov 2017 #93
Do you have me on "ignore?" yallerdawg Nov 2017 #94
I bet you wish I did. trotsky Nov 2017 #118
Trotsky has a valid question, and I wish you would answer it. Mariana Nov 2017 #112
You want to use philosophical quibbling as a distraction. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #121
You brought up "the wager" in this thread. Mariana Nov 2017 #122
I pointed out in this thread... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #123
No, it really isn't the wager. Mariana Nov 2017 #111
If you actually sit down and do the math... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2017 #115
Relevant quote trotsky Nov 2017 #120
so do you believe that there is eternal damnation for unbelievers? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #133
You'll find out. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #134
yet another person of faith unwilling to state what they believe. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #135
I am not here to proselytize or save your soul. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #136
Most who believe that aren't honest enough to say it outright Mariana Nov 2017 #140
I'm not a betting man. MineralMan Nov 2017 #102
This is one of the reasons I left organized religion years ago. redstatebluegirl Nov 2017 #76
Prayers are, in my view, intended as a comfort for the survivors. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #98
Prayer is a form of meditation, I think. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #126
People who can so casually dismis death scare me quite a bit. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #142
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