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Thats my opinion

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Mon May 7, 2012, 02:11 PM May 2012

What progressive theists think about atheism [View all]

Since it has come up a number of times, consider here what most progressive theists tend to believe about atheism. This response does not quite fit in the current string, so I’ll take a different go at it. Right at the beginning let’s be clear; many, if not most American church-goers are conservatives, and tend to believe that only Christians of a certain sort are “saved,” whatever that means. The religious scene in the United States tends to be dominated by these believers. While they may in these days be a majority of religionists, by no means do they represent all Christians. As I have often said, most ecumenical seminaries, denominations, Councils of Churches and progressive congregations do not fall into this fundamentalist pit. Increasingly religious progressives find common cause in a vital inter-faith dialogue. A large congregation near here has on its staff a Rabbi and an Imam. Our local interfaith seminary trains religious leaders in all three disciplines. If there is any argument within these groups, it is with a few within them that take a very conservative stance. For instance, if portions of the United Methodists Church is wrong on GLBT issues, they hear about it from the progressives within their own body—as well as from the rest of us.

Since atheism is not a religion, but the absence of one, atheists are obviously not included in any inter-faith conversations. The vital and growing “Parliament of World Religions,” has no representative from atheism, although Buddhism, Confucianism and several other “faiths” do not believe in a supreme being. Yet they call themselves and are called “religions” because they have doctrines, rituals, practices which are formally accepted by the adherents.

I have been deeply involved in all the ventures and groups listed above, and I have never heard, seen or witnessed in any verbal or written form, a criticism of either atheism or atheists. It is just not on the agenda anywhere. There has been some commentary about secularism as having a negative effect on culture, while humanism and humanistic institutions and groups are always seen as colleagues. In most cases Unitarianism, which is substantially composed of humanists, is always welcome to the conversations, and is among the groups that make the most important contribution. So-called Ethical Culture societies are largely atheistic, but they too often join the conversations.

In these ecclesial gatherings, nobody flouts a particular doctrine. The main interest lies in what various people and groups think about the issues facing society—which are the same issues facing theists and atheists alike. How a person or a group comes down on the rights of the poor, GLBTs, war and peace, economic disparity, etc., forms the basis of these conversations. There is no doctrinal litmus test, and nobody seems to care. What is important is the relationship between faith and the issues we all face.

Beyond these wide-ranging conversations, I have never seen in print, in journals books, periodicals or reports, a single word critical of atheists or atheism. It just never comes up and is on nobody’s agenda. There are, however, serious ideological confrontations with both fundamentalist religionists and philosophy’s like Randian Objectivism. It is not Rand’s atheism that is the focus of the objection, but the ethical framework out of which it operates.

These groups and persons believe that how they view issues before society flows from their religious commitments, but realize that others who have the same notions of what is good for the world, may have widely differing ways they have come to the same conclusions. Faith is not essential to any ethical stance, even while the ethical stance of many of us is in direct relationship to our faith.

None of these bodies is a debating forum with atheists. We would consider that an unproductive waste of time, and no one is interested. DU is the only place I know where this happens. We simply accept as colleagues in the struggle for human values, all those committed to those values. Faith or no faith is beside the point.

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I have never understood how that which is rational can have much to say about the patrice May 2012 #1
Because the non-rational saturates our society... trotsky May 2012 #2
All true, but what I'm saying here, is that beyond the observation that the non-rational IS patrice May 2012 #5
You were doing so well up til the end... trotsky May 2012 #3
My observation is not about what goes on here. Thats my opinion May 2012 #7
I really don't know what was the point of the OP then. trotsky May 2012 #10
if you don't understand the point of the post, then just don'tworry about it. Thats my opinion May 2012 #13
Actually I just want you to state it. trotsky May 2012 #15
To affirm that any criticism of atheists or atheism is not what progressive theists are about. Thats my opinion May 2012 #19
Well of course not. Atheists are no threat to you. trotsky May 2012 #28
As it should be. rrneck May 2012 #4
Oh, really. xfundy May 2012 #6
Among religious progressives, that stands. Thats my opinion May 2012 #8
I think we need to establish where you've put the goalposts first. trotsky May 2012 #9
Yes, a fair question, mr blur May 2012 #11
There is no clinical description. But apart from your question, Thats my opinion May 2012 #12
"...absolute condemnation of theism." EvolveOrConvolve May 2012 #14
Actually you listed precious few specific groups. trotsky May 2012 #16
If I thought you really wanted to know so you could appreciate what was said, I would. Thats my opinion May 2012 #20
Yes, I do know why you've answered as you have. trotsky May 2012 #27
You have to see it from his perspective. darkstar3 May 2012 #17
If that is your condemnation, (pure and proud self-delusion) so be it. Thats my opinion May 2012 #21
And yet you and others have done, and continue to do so, here in this forum. darkstar3 May 2012 #26
That was a lot of wind, and the only overarching theme I can see in it is "look at me." darkstar3 May 2012 #18
I can only conclude that you just don't want to face the reality that progrssive theists do not Thats my opinion May 2012 #22
Your actions do not match your vaunted words. darkstar3 May 2012 #24
What an ad hominium response. Even you can do better than that. nt Thats my opinion May 2012 #23
Even I? darkstar3 May 2012 #25
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