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Mariana

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36. Unfettered?

Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:28 PM

Nov 2017

So step one is that we must oppose the Christians who are working to restrict women's access to effective birth control. I don't see how that won't alienate them. They think they're doing God's will, and we're going to come along and tell them they're doing it wrong.

So assuming we accomplish that, we're still going to have unwanted pregnancies because BC sometimes fails. What do you propose we do to fetter the women who wish to terminate their unwanted pregnancies? What will inspire the Christian voters who oppose abortion to vote Democratic?

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The Uncertain Future of the Religious Left [View all] trotsky Nov 2017 OP

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guillaumeb Nov 2017 #1

It should be noted that neither I nor the article said any of that. trotsky Nov 2017 #2

Following your example here. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #3

If you say so. trotsky Nov 2017 #4

From your link: yallerdawg Nov 2017 #13

Yep that sure is from my link. trotsky Nov 2017 #14

It is specifically about theism dying and religious liberalism. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #18

Could you point out exactly where the claim is made that "theism is dying"? trotsky Nov 2017 #20

Is your "literalism" a characteristic of fundamentalism? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #21

Thank you for conceding the point. trotsky Nov 2017 #22

you keep claiming religion goes back 300,000 years Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #24

What you mean is you will admit of no evidence. A different matter entirely. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #28

Er, no, there is no evidence. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #30

Yes, as I said. You have convinced yourself. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #33

Your claims are fraught with confirmation bias. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #63

Speaking of mirrors, and confirmation bias, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #66

Do you have a point? AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #68

I do. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #69

Please proceed, senator. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #71

Confirmation bias is everywhere evident in this group. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #73

It is everywhere in our species. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #75

And how, in your opinion, can one compensate? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #77

Reason. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #78

And how does one de-link reason from a brain that contains guillaumeb Nov 2017 #79

Interesting material associated there. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #5

It is sad that you want to divide the party. trotsky Nov 2017 #7

"Secular fundamentalists." yallerdawg Nov 2017 #9

I agree, that was a very divisive choice of words by the Christian pastor Jim Wallis. trotsky Nov 2017 #10

Well, we've been doing so well as a party... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #11

Really? You are willing to dismiss the unaffiliated, America's *largest religious bloc*? trotsky Nov 2017 #12

It is noted that these "unaffiliated" vote Democrat. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #15

So you're OK with losing a group that votes overwhelmingly for Democrats? trotsky Nov 2017 #16

How is it an either/or? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #17

You tell me. trotsky Nov 2017 #19

I think yallerdawg understands what is going on here. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #29

I have no doubt you and your good friend yallerdawg share many viewpoints. trotsky Nov 2017 #44

'"Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare." Is this sexist?' well yes it is. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #25

Exactly why it was pointed out... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #26

How would you propose we reach those who have moral concerns Mariana Nov 2017 #27

"Legal, safe, and rare." yallerdawg Nov 2017 #35

Unfettered? Mariana Nov 2017 #36

We don't need every Christian to win. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #37

And you believe we can get them Mariana Nov 2017 #38

Shame? Fetter? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #39

You said "unfettered abortion" did you not? Mariana Nov 2017 #40

The unaffiliated (i.e., people who are NOT Christians) are the largest religious bloc in the USA. trotsky Nov 2017 #46

The "unaffiliated" are Democratic voters. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #47

I see. trotsky Nov 2017 #48

You're taking me seriously. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #49

I tried to. trotsky Nov 2017 #50

Sad are the tactics in evidence. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #34

You mean yours? trotsky Nov 2017 #45

Illustrative of the sad tactics are your posts. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #54

I dunno, given the number of people who disagree with you... trotsky Nov 2017 #56

Again, proving my point about tactics and possible motive. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #60

You can have whatever opinion you want. trotsky Nov 2017 #62

I see the religious left as a Transition Stage... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #6

I agree. trotsky Nov 2017 #8

That's because the content of most of the religious texts Mariana Nov 2017 #23

An overbroad statement, followed by misframing, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #32

How much of the bible do you take literally, g-man? trotsky Nov 2017 #42

Your "conjecture", as you frame it, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #53

So how much of the bible do you take literally? n/t trotsky Nov 2017 #55

Are you admitting to the validity of my comment? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #59

I'm asking you a question. trotsky Nov 2017 #61

You have asked this question before. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #65

Could you please link to your answer? trotsky Nov 2017 #80

Please link to your previous answer, g. trotsky Nov 2017 #83

Employ your power of investigation and analysis.. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #84

Ah, OK, just as I thought. trotsky Nov 2017 #86

And trying to reconcile the two is nearly impossible with honor. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #51

Yes. We see that clearly in some of our discussions here. nt. Mariana Nov 2017 #58

Condescension is not the same as actual argument. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #31

It is all one should expect if... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #41

... trotsky Nov 2017 #43

Which illustrates my point very well. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #52

It does not matter if it was confirmed... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #57

The supernatural is by definition outside reality. Your knee is jerking. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #64

What is visible and observable depends on who is observing, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #67

Not in the sense that you mean it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #70

And how did I mean it? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #72

I'm sorry, I observed you in my own way and at my own time, and my subjective AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #74

An excellent answer. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #76

Man, hold up a mirror Lordquinton Nov 2017 #81

Some people fear the truth. trotsky Nov 2017 #82

I want to hear more Lordquinton Nov 2017 #85