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Pope George Ringo II

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51. And trying to reconcile the two is nearly impossible with honor.

Reply to Mariana (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 11:26 AM

Nov 2017

Intellectual honesty is pretty much an inevitable casualty if you try to maintain both.

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The Uncertain Future of the Religious Left [View all] trotsky Nov 2017 OP

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guillaumeb Nov 2017 #1

It should be noted that neither I nor the article said any of that. trotsky Nov 2017 #2

Following your example here. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #3

If you say so. trotsky Nov 2017 #4

From your link: yallerdawg Nov 2017 #13

Yep that sure is from my link. trotsky Nov 2017 #14

It is specifically about theism dying and religious liberalism. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #18

Could you point out exactly where the claim is made that "theism is dying"? trotsky Nov 2017 #20

Is your "literalism" a characteristic of fundamentalism? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #21

Thank you for conceding the point. trotsky Nov 2017 #22

you keep claiming religion goes back 300,000 years Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #24

What you mean is you will admit of no evidence. A different matter entirely. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #28

Er, no, there is no evidence. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #30

Yes, as I said. You have convinced yourself. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #33

Your claims are fraught with confirmation bias. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #63

Speaking of mirrors, and confirmation bias, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #66

Do you have a point? AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #68

I do. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #69

Please proceed, senator. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #71

Confirmation bias is everywhere evident in this group. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #73

It is everywhere in our species. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #75

And how, in your opinion, can one compensate? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #77

Reason. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #78

And how does one de-link reason from a brain that contains guillaumeb Nov 2017 #79

Interesting material associated there. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #5

It is sad that you want to divide the party. trotsky Nov 2017 #7

"Secular fundamentalists." yallerdawg Nov 2017 #9

I agree, that was a very divisive choice of words by the Christian pastor Jim Wallis. trotsky Nov 2017 #10

Well, we've been doing so well as a party... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #11

Really? You are willing to dismiss the unaffiliated, America's *largest religious bloc*? trotsky Nov 2017 #12

It is noted that these "unaffiliated" vote Democrat. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #15

So you're OK with losing a group that votes overwhelmingly for Democrats? trotsky Nov 2017 #16

How is it an either/or? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #17

You tell me. trotsky Nov 2017 #19

I think yallerdawg understands what is going on here. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #29

I have no doubt you and your good friend yallerdawg share many viewpoints. trotsky Nov 2017 #44

'"Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare." Is this sexist?' well yes it is. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #25

Exactly why it was pointed out... yallerdawg Nov 2017 #26

How would you propose we reach those who have moral concerns Mariana Nov 2017 #27

"Legal, safe, and rare." yallerdawg Nov 2017 #35

Unfettered? Mariana Nov 2017 #36

We don't need every Christian to win. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #37

And you believe we can get them Mariana Nov 2017 #38

Shame? Fetter? yallerdawg Nov 2017 #39

You said "unfettered abortion" did you not? Mariana Nov 2017 #40

The unaffiliated (i.e., people who are NOT Christians) are the largest religious bloc in the USA. trotsky Nov 2017 #46

The "unaffiliated" are Democratic voters. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #47

I see. trotsky Nov 2017 #48

You're taking me seriously. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #49

I tried to. trotsky Nov 2017 #50

Sad are the tactics in evidence. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #34

You mean yours? trotsky Nov 2017 #45

Illustrative of the sad tactics are your posts. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #54

I dunno, given the number of people who disagree with you... trotsky Nov 2017 #56

Again, proving my point about tactics and possible motive. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #60

You can have whatever opinion you want. trotsky Nov 2017 #62

I see the religious left as a Transition Stage... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #6

I agree. trotsky Nov 2017 #8

That's because the content of most of the religious texts Mariana Nov 2017 #23

An overbroad statement, followed by misframing, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #32

How much of the bible do you take literally, g-man? trotsky Nov 2017 #42

Your "conjecture", as you frame it, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #53

So how much of the bible do you take literally? n/t trotsky Nov 2017 #55

Are you admitting to the validity of my comment? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #59

I'm asking you a question. trotsky Nov 2017 #61

You have asked this question before. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #65

Could you please link to your answer? trotsky Nov 2017 #80

Please link to your previous answer, g. trotsky Nov 2017 #83

Employ your power of investigation and analysis.. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #84

Ah, OK, just as I thought. trotsky Nov 2017 #86

And trying to reconcile the two is nearly impossible with honor. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #51

Yes. We see that clearly in some of our discussions here. nt. Mariana Nov 2017 #58

Condescension is not the same as actual argument. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #31

It is all one should expect if... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #41

... trotsky Nov 2017 #43

Which illustrates my point very well. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #52

It does not matter if it was confirmed... NeoGreen Nov 2017 #57

The supernatural is by definition outside reality. Your knee is jerking. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #64

What is visible and observable depends on who is observing, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #67

Not in the sense that you mean it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #70

And how did I mean it? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #72

I'm sorry, I observed you in my own way and at my own time, and my subjective AtheistCrusader Nov 2017 #74

An excellent answer. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #76

Man, hold up a mirror Lordquinton Nov 2017 #81

Some people fear the truth. trotsky Nov 2017 #82

I want to hear more Lordquinton Nov 2017 #85