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yallerdawg

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5. A neutral space.

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:56 PM

Nov 2017

The argument, said Worthen, goes like this: “When secular liberals say that the public square can be this neutral space, fair to all metaphysical beliefs, that’s a lie, because folded into that it is a secular humanist worldview, a set of anti-Christian presuppositions that are now being foisted onto our public square. You, as conservative evangelicals, need to fight that, and you need to be savvy when they try to pull one over on you.”

If the default position is "faith is a farce," where do you go from there? Conversation is pretty much over.

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Why evangelicals might vote for Roy Moore anyway [View all] guillaumeb Nov 2017 OP

Good article, but disturbing to read. FM123 Nov 2017 #1

Agreed. That mindset, if prevalent, makes the person essentially unreachable. eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #7

sounds like a fancy name for bigotry. unblock Nov 2017 #2

More like close minded behavior. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #9

i think we're both right ;) unblock Nov 2017 #14

Right in both meanings of the word!! eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #15

Willfully Ignorant PhilosopherKing Nov 2017 #3

So, you can completely disregard someone who doesn't share all your beliefs. Girard442 Nov 2017 #4

Are you confessing disloyalty to the Orange Fuhrer? eom guillaumeb Nov 2017 #10

A neutral space. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #5

Wait a minute!!! guillaumeb Nov 2017 #11

Er you completely made missed the point of your op. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #21

I suggest that you reread the post. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #23

I suggest a shovel for the hole you are in. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #24

Keep illustrating my point. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #27

You might want to read #29 guillaumeb Nov 2017 #30

why? Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #31

So, in your words, "some of us reject religiosity as idiocy". guillaumeb Nov 2017 #32

Rejecting ideas is not intolerance. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #33

And dismissing them as idiocy? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #34

Can you explain the point, then? marylandblue Nov 2017 #35

I could. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #36

Ok... did you know I could throw a perfect spiral 80 yards? marylandblue Nov 2017 #37

And I could easily catch it. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #38

I have no doubt you will not catch anything marylandblue Nov 2017 #43

That is exactly what I am saying. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #29

No, you've completely misunderstood the article, and what "presuppositionalism" is muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #39

Christian presuppositionalism begins with God's existence. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #40

It's not a question of where it begins - it's what you do as a result of that position muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #41

In fairness I am probably a presuppositionalist Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #42

I do. Know your enemy. marylandblue Nov 2017 #44

Oh Im not ignorant of nazis. I reject out of hand their opinions Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #45

I don't reject their opinions out of hand. I study them. marylandblue Nov 2017 #46

They tried to eradicate my ancestors. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #47

Mine too. marylandblue Nov 2017 #48

This isn't really a surprise regarding Moore. Mariana Nov 2017 #6

100% in agreement. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #12

That may be a first for us, Gil. Mariana Nov 2017 #16

Tell no one. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #17

Oh, I'm going to shout it out to the whole world! Mariana Nov 2017 #18

You are, of course, absolutely right about 2 different countries. Mariana Nov 2017 #19

Alabama? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #22

Plus, don't forget the whole "forgiven" thing customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #8

I believe in the power of forgiveness, guillaumeb Nov 2017 #13

Well, if anything comes out customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #20

They would vote for Satan if he promised to force their beliefs on others. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2017 #25

Even women evangelicals are annoyed to high heaven by women who think Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #26

Deferring to a father figure? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #28