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marylandblue

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63. But aren't you switching senses of the word "belief?"

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 08:45 PM

Dec 2017

You believe without proof (or have faith) that God exists. But presumably, in addition to your opinion about the superiority of French for poetry, you also have a belief about the existence of French, and this belief is based on proof that French is an actual language. Or do you believe that French is better for poetry, but can't prove that the French language exists at all?

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"Theism" means belief in a deity or deities. [View all] MineralMan Dec 2017 OP

Still hedging your bet? yallerdawg Dec 2017 #1

No. I'm not even betting. MineralMan Dec 2017 #4

+100 Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #5

Atheists aren't hedging bets Lordquinton Dec 2017 #7

Win/win. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #9

What if it turns out Allah sends you to hell for being a Christian? marylandblue Dec 2017 #10

What is this fixation on hell? yallerdawg Dec 2017 #11

But some see them as a threat. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #13

Yes, telling someone they will burn in hell is a threat Lordquinton Dec 2017 #20

Read the Quran, plenty of threats in there marylandblue Dec 2017 #14

Nice Dodge there Lordquinton Dec 2017 #19

Do you mean God the all merciful? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #12

You sure think highly of your beliefs Lordquinton Dec 2017 #18

Do you think highly of your beliefs? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #21

Holy non-sequiturs batman! Lordquinton Dec 2017 #22

Does this represent your belief? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #24

Where do you get that idea? Lordquinton Dec 2017 #25

But you presumably did post it. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #26

Ok, if you're not following the thread Lordquinton Dec 2017 #27

I understand. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #28

Badly vs what? saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #29

Sometimes the revelation is an interior one. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #30

That is very convenient Lordquinton Dec 2017 #31

No, it is a position that I cannot prove. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #35

So if understand correctly, you think no belief can ever be proved? marylandblue Dec 2017 #36

Why did you reframe what I actually said? eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #37

Kinda right Lordquinton Dec 2017 #39

No, all incorrect. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40

You were speaking of unprovable beliefs Lordquinton Dec 2017 #41

Why is theism vs. atheism marylandblue Dec 2017 #46

I am not trying to reframe marylandblue Dec 2017 #44

I do not doubt you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #51

If you believe a thing that can't be proven marylandblue Dec 2017 #53

Shall we create a new dictionary? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #54

We argue about it all the time here marylandblue Dec 2017 #55

Do you believe in democracy, or fairness? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #56

Yes, belief can be used in different ways marylandblue Dec 2017 #57

I agree with your thinking on "believe in democracy". guillaumeb Dec 2017 #58

Is there anything else you believe that can't be proven? marylandblue Dec 2017 #59

Probably many things. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #60

But we know that French exists marylandblue Dec 2017 #61

My actual belief regards the language and which language is better for poetry guillaumeb Dec 2017 #62

But aren't you switching senses of the word "belief?" marylandblue Dec 2017 #63

I believe what I said about the superiority. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #64

Alright, suppose I told you that marylandblue Dec 2017 #66

Not at all equivalent. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #67

But if believe that French is a better language marylandblue Dec 2017 #68

1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #69

I am confused marylandblue Dec 2017 #70

Proposition A is unprovable. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #71

Then why can't I say Prestigish is superior to French? marylandblue Dec 2017 #72

You could if you wish. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #73

In this case, your knowledge of French is synonymous with your belief in French marylandblue Dec 2017 #74

I grew up speaking French. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #77

There is a difference between existence and opinion marylandblue Dec 2017 #78

Yes, there are other things that I believe that I cannot prove exist. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #79

"Rap is not really music" is a belief in an attribute of Rap marylandblue Dec 2017 #80

I have heard rap, and I admit that it clearly exists. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #81

Right, so aside from God marylandblue Dec 2017 #82

Simple nouns? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #83

Yes. marylandblue Dec 2017 #84

We use the same word: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #85

Yes, but that generally is a noun marylandblue Dec 2017 #86

"Evidence" meaning shared experience? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #87

What do you mean by "shared experience?" marylandblue Dec 2017 #88

No I don't Lordquinton Dec 2017 #38

And all those edhopper Dec 2017 #42

I know it isn't newsworthy... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #43

You asked what is wrong with believing edhopper Dec 2017 #45

"Where and when?" yallerdawg Dec 2017 #47

With out edhopper Dec 2017 #48

Quiet, unrecognized acts of charity, aid, outreach and love... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #49

And this is because of God? edhopper Dec 2017 #50

This is an old story, edhopper. Mariana Dec 2017 #75

Good points edhopper Dec 2017 #76

Fellow atheist here DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #2

Yeah. Someone claimed that in another thread. MineralMan Dec 2017 #3

And they wonder why they get called out all the time Lordquinton Dec 2017 #23

Atheism / nihilism Lordquinton Dec 2017 #6

That's one way to look at it. MineralMan Dec 2017 #8

Everything is from our own perspective Lordquinton Dec 2017 #33

and agnostics fall in-between Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #15

We are sort of like independent voters marylandblue Dec 2017 #16

No, they don't. trotsky Dec 2017 #32

And yet so many theists struggle with it Pope George Ringo II Dec 2017 #17

Well, I posted my definition. And like clockwork, MineralMan Dec 2017 #34

Okay, ow do you explain the tides, then? Permanut Dec 2017 #52

Lots of people are church members for similar reasons. MineralMan Dec 2017 #65