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guillaumeb

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116. I hear many English speakers use things in different ways.

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 10:05 PM

Dec 2017

And the verb forms seem to vary by speaker. In French, certain situations require certain forms. And using the incorrect form indicates lack of education or unfamiliarity. In English it seems far more flexible.

And many English speakers seem to use present and future forms interchangeably.

So no, I do not doubt.

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Obstacles to dialogue about religion: [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2017 OP

I don't get your point. BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #1

The attitude of some. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #2

like referring to your opponents as "the choir"? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #3

That is an observation, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #4

right. So your op is self reflection on your own misbehavior. Well that is a start. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #5

It is misbehavior to point out the obvious? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #8

Well, if "others here" have observed it, it's totally justified. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2017 #6

It is obvious. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #10

Since when does justification have to do with poster? marylandblue Dec 2017 #87

Main obstacle is religious privlige Lordquinton Dec 2017 #7

Fee free to post examples. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #9

You must recognise it in yourself Lordquinton Dec 2017 #38

And that proves what exactly, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #41

So religious priviledge forces some non-theists to condescend? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #11

No Lordquinton Dec 2017 #43

If you are insulted for your positions, I would defend your right. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #47

So what forces some theists to condescend and be such assholes? trotsky Dec 2017 #98

This is correct. trotsky Dec 2017 #97

So atheists are forced to behave as they do? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #102

By bigoted theists, yes. n/t trotsky Dec 2017 #104

The other person made me do this!!!! guillaumeb Dec 2017 #105

When a bigoted theist decides s/he is going to define atheism over the objections of atheists... trotsky Dec 2017 #106

As a non-bigoted theist, I understand your point. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #107

Great, so we won't see you defining atheism as a "belief"? n/t trotsky Dec 2017 #108

Obstacle to dialogs about unicorns: Some people just don't take them seriously. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #12

Exactly. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #13

Start with a presumption that religion is true... longship Dec 2017 #14

If I noted every spelling and/or grammatical error that I see, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #15

Your quote about NdGT is odious. longship Dec 2017 #16

My "quote" is simply my personal opinion. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #17

You state that you want to eliminate obstacles to dialogue? longship Dec 2017 #18

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I to mine. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #22

Tyson is not known to state much about religion. longship Dec 2017 #24

Consider the Tyson quote: guillaumeb Dec 2017 #30

Tyson is correct. longship Dec 2017 #68

Your sig line implies an out of context understanding of Tyson's quote marylandblue Dec 2017 #70

I looked up the actual quote pokerfan Dec 2017 #96

Your sig line is very funny and apropos! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #36

Thank you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #40

Read the context of the quotation right above this post of yours. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #121

It's a humorous play on words! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #122

It is an ignorant attempt... tonedevil Dec 2017 #125

Humorous play on words. Period. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #126

Do you think calling it humorous... tonedevil Dec 2017 #132

It's a pretty weak sauce play on words that takes the original completely out of context. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #127

You are killing me!!! yallerdawg Dec 2017 #128

The sky clearly looks blue, generally. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2017 #129

It's just impossible for you to say... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #130

Hey now. How do you know Gil is bearing false witness? Mariana Dec 2017 #19

I would not presume that. I take him at his word that it's his opinion. longship Dec 2017 #20

Falsely quoting God would be extremely disrespectful to God. Mariana Dec 2017 #21

So you are certain that the Creator has no sense of humor? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #23

Just delete your damnable sig line, and we'll start a respectful discussion. longship Dec 2017 #25

The character described in the Bible doesn't seem to have one Mariana Dec 2017 #28

Or the authors did not choose to include examples. eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #31

I prefer to go by the information in the source material. Mariana Dec 2017 #45

But if the information is open to interpretation, guillaumeb Dec 2017 #49

Created in the image and likeness. Mariana Dec 2017 #95

I'm certain he doesn't share your snide sense of humor marylandblue Dec 2017 #72

Assigning words to God is the very model of taking His name in vain. MineralMan Dec 2017 #131

Actually, in the manner stated marylandblue Dec 2017 #71

Is can synonymous with could? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #99

Sometimes. Learn more English. marylandblue Dec 2017 #110

I can do it indicates an ability to do something. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #111

Can also indicates you are able to do something, but not that you will marylandblue Dec 2017 #113

I agree that verb forms in English are more "flexible". guillaumeb Dec 2017 #114

I won't argue French grammar with you marylandblue Dec 2017 #115

I hear many English speakers use things in different ways. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #116

I never noticed that sig line before Lordquinton Dec 2017 #46

if youre not a christian youre going to hell when u die? got proof of that ? msongs Dec 2017 #26

Faith does not depend on proof. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #32

The dialog is this, I'm right and you're wrong. End of discussion. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #27

Know it all? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #33

I would never try to convert anyone, I just like to discuss various topics Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #29

I also like it. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #34

Some people just want a bar fight. That is when to use the Ignore Button. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #42

You could also buy the other guy a drink marylandblue Dec 2017 #73

Great idea, had not thought of that. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #80

At the end of the main list, there is a ... marylandblue Dec 2017 #81

Thanks Maryland. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #82

You're welcome marylandblue Dec 2017 #83

:) Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #84

In my so very humble opinion and based on the various dialogues here on DU between cornball 24 Dec 2017 #35

Nicely said, but my error was my error. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #37

the non overlapping magisteria often overlap edhopper Dec 2017 #39

I can, and will, answer, but it is only my personal answer. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #44

What about all the stories in the Old Testament edhopper Dec 2017 #48

We are talking about stories from nearly 6,000 years ago. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #50

The stories are either obvious mythological fantasies edhopper Dec 2017 #51

Yes, non-overlapping. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #53

Or 3000 years ago at most. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #75

The Bible is generally seen as referring to approximatley 6000 years ago. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #100

Sure but that is not what you said. You said the stories were 6000 years old. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #103

We don't believe like Ancients did. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #52

The story that a loving God edhopper Dec 2017 #54

Still hung up on the literal story. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #57

So only Christains have the real truth edhopper Dec 2017 #58

The Jews are waiting for the Messiah. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #59

So God actually talked to the people in the Bible edhopper Dec 2017 #62

God talks to people around the world everyday. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #64

Do you mean he "talks" to people? marylandblue Dec 2017 #88

He asked, but you're not answering Mariana Dec 2017 #63

"Seek and ye shall find." yallerdawg Dec 2017 #65

I did seek edhopper Dec 2017 #66

"Seek and ye shall find" Mariana Dec 2017 #67

There are no innocent people. Mariana Dec 2017 #85

The thing about the flood myth is that it describes an omnipotent being who commits genocide Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #76

Good post. demosincebirth Dec 2017 #55

Thank you. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #56

not everyone is a believer or an atheist Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #60

True. Not a deliberate omission eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #101

Why should I believe in non overlapping magisteria? marylandblue Dec 2017 #61

non-overlapping magisteria argument is kind of a dodge Buzz cook Dec 2017 #69

Good point marylandblue Dec 2017 #74

belief in a god heaven05 Dec 2017 #77

We will always have the freedom to have our own opinions duforsure Dec 2017 #78

The biggest obstacle, it seems to me, is that folks speak different languages. Pythagorean atheist Dec 2017 #79

Religions tend to develop and use a great deal of jargon Mariana Dec 2017 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #89

You can listen all day long Mariana Dec 2017 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #91

I'll give you a hypothetical example. Mariana Dec 2017 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #93

Actually the motivation for not believing in non overlapping magisteria marylandblue Dec 2017 #94

You don't get to claim my position is 'unprovable'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #109

What IS your position? eom guillaumeb Dec 2017 #112

You tell me, since you seem to think you know all the properties of our positions. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #117

If your position is unrevealed, what claims can you make? guillaumeb Dec 2017 #118

There's nothing for an atheist to prove. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #119

I understand your need for this framing. guillaumeb Dec 2017 #123

Positions that are not mirror opposites no matter how much you pretend they are. AtheistCrusader Dec 2017 #124

Perfectly stated. n/t Permanut Dec 2017 #133

Here is the atheist's provable claim Cartoonist Dec 2017 #120