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guillaumeb

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2. And to make a claim that one arrives at certain decisions by logic only

Tue Jan 2, 2018, 06:33 PM

Jan 2018

assumes that the human brain can separate emotion from logic.

So making a claim that one has examined the matter and came to a purely logical decision that there are no deities is also making a claim that one can separate logical and emotional processes. Again, I understand the Spock worship, but there is no proof that such separation can be done. It is a fantasy, an illogical and non-evidence based belief.

As opposed, of course, to the illogical, non-evidence based beliefs of theists.

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The myth of homo logicae, or rational man. [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2018 OP

I thought it was already well known that rationality was a chimera... TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #1

And to make a claim that one arrives at certain decisions by logic only guillaumeb Jan 2018 #2

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #3

Allow me to congratulate you on your response. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #4

No, I responded to your bullshit throwaway bait line at the end. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #5

Feel free to respond to the actual post. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6

I responded to the part of the post I wanted to address. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #7

I understand. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #8

OMG did you not even follow Star Trek? AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #9

So let us examine this idea: guillaumeb Jan 2018 #10

That's the whole point of Spock. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #16

Why would it be desirable for a human to eliminate emotion? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #18

I didn't say anything about faith or proof. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #26

Why does he bring Spock up? I'll tell you why. trotsky Jan 2018 #41

He's not even bringing up Spock. He's bringing up straw man Spock. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #42

Hahahaa that is perfect. n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #44

You need to stop using Star Trek to support you arguments Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #40

I think he's abandoned this avenue of attack. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #48

I hope so. It was kind of embarrassing. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #53

Again demonstrating why discussions can't happen Lordquinton Jan 2018 #11

Are we talking? Metaphorically? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #13

"an intelligence of some sort pretty much running things" not mockable? Seriously? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #14

I said it was a concept, not necessarily a reality. TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #25

Ok so present a serious argument for it. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #38

I agree that man is not homo logicae. Jim__ Jan 2018 #12

Those are mathematical proofs. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #15

Technically, mathematical figures are not "physical" objects. ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #27

And yet despite your insistence they are separate "fields", you cannot provide us... trotsky Jan 2018 #29

You appear to completely misunderstand the function of faith. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #32

Yes, you have told me many times you think I'm stupid. trotsky Jan 2018 #33

Now you misframe my reply. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #34

Then explain to me. trotsky Jan 2018 #35

Is everything that you believe provable? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36

I cannot prove love exists outside my head. trotsky Jan 2018 #43

We agreed. A start. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #46

No, you've just made up your own definition of "belief"... trotsky Jan 2018 #47

Yes. Pleasure, Reward and Dopamine centers in the brain light up in fMRI's when experiencing AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #62

To your last sentence: guillaumeb Jan 2018 #65

And? AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #67

Actually yea, scientists have found a way to prove love Lordquinton Jan 2018 #81

LInks? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #90

You have lost any ability to call for links. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #94

So you are the official spokesperson? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #95

Nope, but you need to realize that what you say and do has consequences. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #97

I second the motion. Motion Carries. Talk to the new spokesman. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #129

As the poster, and the Chair, I declare the motion out of order. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #130

I have provided you with the same level of proof you provided Lordquinton Jan 2018 #127

Everyone starts as an atheist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #49

Every human starts with an unformed consciousness. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #54

Well that's just patently untrue. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #57

Atheism is one choice. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #58

Why do babies not develop a religion different from their parents? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #59

And how could this be accomplished? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #64

Let them come to their own conclusions on faith. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #68

The question actually was: guillaumeb Jan 2018 #70

I rejected multiple presentations and exhortations to faith by society. That's the only choice I AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #72

What form did these "presentations to faith" take? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #74

Direct conversations. Invitations to join various church youth groups. Pamphlets. Free copies of AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #75

Understood. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #86

Who cares? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #79

Not my argument. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #89

Of course it's your argument Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #91

Humans are not "born" anything, except human babies. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #93

Humans are born atheists. Because that is the lack of belief in any god. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #96

Utter nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #99

"Humans are born with no opinions or views on anything." Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #100

They are literally born with no beliefs. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #101

"They are literally born with no beliefs." Right. They are atheists in relation to god. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #102

No, babies do not have the language required to form opinions. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #107

So your argument is that we need language to form opinions? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #110

So a baby has functioning taste buds. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #112

So you are saying they don't have opinions? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #113

Animals also have food preferences. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #114

Human are animals. In case you didn't realize. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #115

An interesting tactic, guillaumeb Jan 2018 #116

"Babies have no thoughts on theism versus atheism." trotsky Jan 2018 #119

Not what I said, but ironically enough, guillaumeb Jan 2018 #120

Yeah, the 1/2 that actually applies. trotsky Jan 2018 #121

What is clear is that you need to rationalize what you believe. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #123

But that's what you're doing, gil. trotsky Jan 2018 #126

All that is important is that they have no thoughts on gods. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #140

And you know this how? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #141

Um, you agreed with me. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #142

More harmonius replies. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #143

Listen, dude, if you are accusing me of being a sock, then just do it. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #144

Simply an observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #146

So you just double down it? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #147

We can't all be original like you. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #145

Atheism is also inclusive of lacking an opinion. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #132

I understand that position. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #134

So, when exactly does one's innate understanding of God develop, then? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #104

When did your understanding develop? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #108

I didn't encounter a reason to consider or think about religion or faith until well into being able AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #131

And that was probably well past infancy. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #133

Correct. That is why I say, I have always been an atheist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #135

I disagree with the idea that babies are atheists. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #136

Having no opinion, and no faith is equal to 'atheist'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #137

or to say it another way, I didn't decide to become an atheist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #138

I was responding to #131. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #139

A majority of humans are clearly predisposed to faith. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #105

Atheism is the LACK OF FAITH. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #103

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #61

A majority of humans are clearly predisposed to faith. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #60

Or predisposed to spirituality? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #63

I used the terms used by the studies that revealed it. Not whatever you're angling for. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #66

I do it all the time. Eko Jan 2018 #17

We all do it. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #19

No, you mistake me. Eko Jan 2018 #20

But you do use both. As do we all. The point of the article. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #21

Those are good questions. Eko Jan 2018 #22

I do not feel that people can truly separate logic and emotion. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #30

So, Eko Jan 2018 #39

I feel is an idiom. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #45

It is? Eko Jan 2018 #78

It's actually a metaphor. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #80

We do it all the time. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #50

Which merely restates what I already said. eom guillaumeb Jan 2018 #55

Not in the slightest. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #69

Okay. My point was clearly made that we use both processes, logic and emotion. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #71

I did NOT illustrate the same thing. re-read. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #73

Evidently the straw man is very much alive and well. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #23

Hey, the g-man makes his best arguments against straw men. trotsky Jan 2018 #24

He's doing the 'equal footing' fake-out. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #52

Gets sadder every time he tries. trotsky Jan 2018 #82

Apparently, someone thinks such a claim has been made. MineralMan Jan 2018 #28

Perhaps you should read the numerous posts here guillaumeb Jan 2018 #31

Perhaps you should link to a few of them. MineralMan Jan 2018 #37

No need for those who frequent this group. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #56

No, you never have to back up your claims. trotsky Jan 2018 #83

There are none that go so far as to completely eschew emotion, as in your incorrect Spock analogy. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #51

That is not what I actually said. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #88

Post 19. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #92

In addition to post 19, add this one Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #98

So commonality implies reliability? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #77

Haha interesting corner he just backed himself into. n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #84

"Well... how did I get here?" Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #85

It's funny, I read an article about this very subject a couple of weeks ago tymorial Jan 2018 #76

And, as this post demonstrates, guillaumeb Jan 2018 #87

Is that the royal 'we'? AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #106

We is the plural first person, correct? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #109

You got a mouse in your pocket? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #111

Which class is that, Guy? When you use the word "we" MineralMan Jan 2018 #117

The "we" referred to is obvious from a reading of the original post. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #118

Who, other than you is "we can think that we can separate logic from emotion" AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #128

I remember when an atheist saying we would derail anything they said Lordquinton Jan 2018 #125

I only see Homo triticum Lordquinton Jan 2018 #122

Perhaps guillaumeb Jan 2018 #124

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