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Igel

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50. I don't know how they define "evangelical."
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:50 PM
Jan 2018

I've known a lot of anti-science religious non-evangelicals. More than evangelicals, to be honest.

And among many evangelicals, I don't know what they think of as science.

Or that they're in any way fundamentally different than non-evangelicals who are anti-vaxxers or believe that GMO or glyphosate are going to destroy the world. Everybody comes up with reasons for what they believe about science. Often, they're reasons of convenience. And often that reason of convenience is "Because God says so" (or at least the guy who stood up and said God says so, given the generally abysmal state of bible and creedal ignorance among the "Jesus is my boyfriend" crowd).

In other words, I don't know how much to trust the data. That's the thing about large scale surveys. There's a trade off between precision and detail in understanding the data and making sure the data set is comprehensive and large enough to make distinctions significant.

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I don't know any religious people in real life that hates science. PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #1
I do not either. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #3
Guillaumeb has given us another straw man, I'm afraid. trotsky Jan 2018 #6
The actual straw man is in your rely #4. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #8
This is a bit more nuanced than what is insisted by many to be true. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #2
Perhaps some suffer from an allergy to nuance. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #5
No, they don't generally hate science. trotsky Jan 2018 #4
Possibly you read a different article? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #7
Nope. trotsky Jan 2018 #20
I think if you look closely Igel Jan 2018 #46
Could very well be. trotsky Jan 2018 #47
and fossils were planted to test Christian's faith. AJT Jan 2018 #51
Absolutely! n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #9
Welcome to DU, and this discussion. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #14
The Franken threads are a bit heated at this point. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #17
Obfuscation.. Permanut Jan 2018 #10
If Ken Ham did not exist, guillaumeb Jan 2018 #12
But he DOES exist. trotsky Jan 2018 #23
Not really. He has plenty of clones. nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #44
Great news about American evangelicals... ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #13
A bit hyperbolic. eom guillaumeb Jan 2018 #15
Never heard of ISIS, huh? ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #16
Have you ever heard of the over 1 billion Muslims who are not ISIS members? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #18
But you understand that a study about the scientific acceptance of American evangelicals ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #22
Deflection.. Permanut Jan 2018 #26
Lot of hypocrisy here in addition to faulty premises Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #19
A miracle is another word for an unexplained phenomenon. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #24
No it's not Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #28
I gave a definition for miracle. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #31
Yes, and you're correct. Igel Jan 2018 #48
So your claim to being a victim of broad brush painting is rendered invalid Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #54
I would be interested to see how many American evangelicals subscribe to NOMA... ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #34
I have no idea. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #38
My guess is that more non-theists agree with NOMA ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #41
I think it would be a pointless survey. Igel Jan 2018 #49
That is not the way those evangelicals are using the word. Mariana Jan 2018 #63
An excellent response to guillaumeb. trotsky Jan 2018 #27
For somebody who wants to be the tone police in this group, you sure come out swinging. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #21
Did this article challenge your thinking? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #25
You really try hard to avoid the actual point. Why do you come out swinging? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #37
Define the lecture, and what you see as my point. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #39
"a more nuanced view of this topic might conflict with the way some prefer to dismiss theists" Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #42
Numerous posts here have attempted to define Christians, guillaumeb Jan 2018 #52
Stay on topic. Why do you want others to have a better tone but you don't do it yourself? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #55
I see nothing wrong with my tone. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #57
Then stop telling others to change their tone. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #58
An interesting attempt at blaming others. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #59
An interesting attempt at avoiding your own culpability Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #60
"Numerous posts here have attempted to define Christians, and what Christians must believe." trotsky Jan 2018 #62
The evidence is abundant, if one wishes to see it. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #64
LINK TO THE POSTS THAT PROVE YOUR CLAIM. trotsky Jan 2018 #65
I have read many claims from non-theists. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #66
LINK TO THE POSTS THAT PROVE YOUR CLAIM. trotsky Jan 2018 #67
Strong charges. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #68
LINK TO THE POSTS THAT PROVE YOUR CLAIM. n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #69
LINK TO THE POSTS THAT PROVE YOUR CLAIM. n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #70
LINK TO THE POSTS THAT PROVE YOUR CLAIM. n/t trotsky Jan 2018 #72
And yet, Ken Ham: MineralMan Jan 2018 #29
Perhaps you are unconvinced. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #33
... MineralMan Jan 2018 #35
Here's the problem: influential Evangelicals are hostile to any science that threatens their views. Girard442 Jan 2018 #30
Evangelicals are like gay muslims thbobby Jan 2018 #32
True. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36
Not surprising Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #40
This does not tell us what Evangelicals think of science. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #43
The religious people who hate science Cartoonist Jan 2018 #45
I am not defending any view point. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #56
I don't know how they define "evangelical." Igel Jan 2018 #50
They probably ask the respondents, "Are you an evangelical?" Mariana Jan 2018 #71
Not buying it. RelativelyJones Jan 2018 #61
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