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Thu May 10, 2012, 11:26 AM

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New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan denounces Obama gay marriage stance [View all] trotsky May 2012 OP

Dolan forgot (on purpose?) two words HockeyMom May 2012 #1

why is his opinion deemed cindyperry2010 May 2012 #2

Yeah, um BeyondGeography May 2012 #3

Not so much... Crow73 May 2012 #4

They act like marriage is a "special" club all american girl May 2012 #5

He should spend more time praying for himself bloomington-lib May 2012 #6

There's a surprise - geckosfeet May 2012 #7

A man married to a male Bronze Age Canaanite deity doesn't have much room to talk. tanyev May 2012 #8

Any sex, straight, gay, or solo, outside a sacramental marriage is also "deeply saddening". rug May 2012 #9

I see. Will Dolan receive a reprimand from his superiors? trotsky May 2012 #10

No. I'm sure he'll receve kudos. rug May 2012 #11

What a great bunch of guys. trotsky May 2012 #14

That's a big topic. rug May 2012 #16

Could two homosexuals get a natural marriage within the church? n/t trotsky May 2012 #20

Any natural marriage exists only outside the Church. rug May 2012 #22

Your church automatically recognizes certain non-Catholic marriages to be sacramental... trotsky May 2012 #24

Yes, as I stated earler, baptized nonCatholics can have a sacramental marriage in the eyes of the RC rug May 2012 #27

So if two homosexuals marry in a Protestant trinitarian church... trotsky May 2012 #38

No. rug May 2012 #43

Why not? n/t trotsky May 2012 #50

You know the answer already. rug May 2012 #54

I'll jump in. The answer is: 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #64

Any sex, straight, gay, or solo, outside a sacramental marriage is also "deeply saddening". AlbertCat May 2012 #48

You should ask your partners. rug May 2012 #57

Yes, but what do you think of his statements? laconicsax May 2012 #66

Wonder if Cardinal Dolan would like to explain this? E_Pluribus_Unitarian May 2012 #12

Here's more on that. rug May 2012 #13

Hmmm. Unlike Dawkins, Harris etc, Dolan does speak for the group dmallind May 2012 #15

No, he does speak for the group. rug May 2012 #17

So you think separate but equal is just fine? Goblinmonger May 2012 #18

I don't see Plessy v. Ferguson as having any bearing on this discussion. rug May 2012 #19

On the contrary, I'd say Dolan's opinion carries quite a bit of authority. trotsky May 2012 #21

Because the Church is flexing its, ahem, secular influence. rug May 2012 #23

But you said he isn't speaking for your church, at least with any authority. trotsky May 2012 #25

I also said he was showboating. rug May 2012 #28

Your earlier claim was not that your church had a secular role, trotsky May 2012 #37

It's both. rug May 2012 #42

I've never denied they are without secular influence. trotsky May 2012 #49

It is one of the oldest, and largest, on earth. rug May 2012 #55

One of the oldest and largest religious institutions, yes. trotsky May 2012 #68

So the church's raison d'etre should not, or does not, include social mores? dmallind May 2012 #30

Morality is a large part of its raison d'etre, but far from its main purpose. rug May 2012 #32

"That's the bright dividing line." trotsky May 2012 #39

So, they're idiots. rug May 2012 #41

I'm glad you agree. trotsky May 2012 #51

Because it is more than the hierarchs. rug May 2012 #56

And yet you still support them. n/t trotsky May 2012 #67

who pays this fuckers salary? oh yeah, its tithe paying catholics in his archdiocese. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #26

Catholics don't tithe. rug May 2012 #29

really? So the mailer my parents get from St. Cletus parish begging for money every... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #31

A request for financial support is not a tithe. rug May 2012 #33

Parish still calls it that, perhaps I should call it financial support or whatever. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #34

There's a lot about the Catholic Church I support. A lot I don't. rug May 2012 #35

Do you get to choose if your money goes to support discrimination or not? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #36

To a limited extent, less limited than my ability to keep my money awat from predator drones. rug May 2012 #40

So when your archdiocese supports an initiative to ban marriage equality somewhere... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #45

How does it feel to materially support predator drones dropping on Afghan villages? rug May 2012 #47

Bullshit comparisons because neither is a choice... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #52

There were three choices. rug May 2012 #53

Sorry, I don't materially support the DNC, I'm an independent... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #59

And if you vote for Obama, are you materially supporting drone warfare? rug May 2012 #60

Sorry, but that still doesn't work. eqfan592 May 2012 #61

Actually, that's not correct. rug May 2012 #62

Yes, I will still be supporting it, and I did not claim otherwise. eqfan592 May 2012 #63

I'm familiar with it. There are many others, including The Old Catholic Church. rug May 2012 #65

So you actually believe the mythologies and beliefs that were created to build up the church? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #69

Are you now moving on from attacking institutions to attacking people? rug May 2012 #70

Quick, find the attack I made on you. Oh, and alert on it. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #72

It's all over the place from your first comment. rug May 2012 #74

Bash me and we'll have an interesting conversation. AlbertCat May 2012 #75

Sorry. It takes two. rug May 2012 #77

Not my fault you support a homophobic organization. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #76

Not my fault you speak from ignorance. rug May 2012 #78

Prove it, show the ignorance. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #79

I already proved it with tithes. Here's another: rug May 2012 #81

When an organization opposes same sex marriage on nothing more than the Bible, they are a hate... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #82

I see. The Church that Biden and a billion others belongs to is "on the same moral level as the KKK" rug May 2012 #83

Does Biden run the Church? Or those billion others? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #84

"Paying members of a known hate group, they must be so proud." rug May 2012 #85

Actually I'm condemning their actions, if you can't tell the difference, I can't help you... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #86

So, you're condemning every Catholic who puts money in the basket at Mass? rug May 2012 #87

"Bash me and we'll have an interesting conversation." cleanhippie May 2012 #80

There are sadly a lot of people - trotsky May 2012 #71

Homer said it best. cleanhippie May 2012 #73

So glad JustAnotherGen May 2012 #44

Unique meaning of marriage???? AlbertCat May 2012 #46

He means the "traditional" meaning... brooklynite May 2012 #58