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eqfan592

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63. Yes, I will still be supporting it, and I did not claim otherwise.

Thu May 10, 2012, 04:55 PM

May 2012

However, as I said, the difference IS in the availability of a viable alternative. And there ARE viable alternatives to the RCC. Independent Catholic churches are in fact a thing, such as this one here.

St. Catherine is the sixth American National Catholic Church parish to open since the denomination was founded in 2008. Women are allowed to be priests. Annulments aren't needed. Communion is offered to anyone.

Bishop George Lucey, of New Jersey, who leads the national organization, said the services might not be for everybody, but he wants the churches to be a "viable alternative."

"Hopefully, by its existence, it will give balance to the Roman Catholic structure," Lucey said.

(Emphasis mine)

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New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan denounces Obama gay marriage stance [View all] trotsky May 2012 OP

Dolan forgot (on purpose?) two words HockeyMom May 2012 #1

why is his opinion deemed cindyperry2010 May 2012 #2

Yeah, um BeyondGeography May 2012 #3

Not so much... Crow73 May 2012 #4

They act like marriage is a "special" club all american girl May 2012 #5

He should spend more time praying for himself bloomington-lib May 2012 #6

There's a surprise - geckosfeet May 2012 #7

A man married to a male Bronze Age Canaanite deity doesn't have much room to talk. tanyev May 2012 #8

Any sex, straight, gay, or solo, outside a sacramental marriage is also "deeply saddening". rug May 2012 #9

I see. Will Dolan receive a reprimand from his superiors? trotsky May 2012 #10

No. I'm sure he'll receve kudos. rug May 2012 #11

What a great bunch of guys. trotsky May 2012 #14

That's a big topic. rug May 2012 #16

Could two homosexuals get a natural marriage within the church? n/t trotsky May 2012 #20

Any natural marriage exists only outside the Church. rug May 2012 #22

Your church automatically recognizes certain non-Catholic marriages to be sacramental... trotsky May 2012 #24

Yes, as I stated earler, baptized nonCatholics can have a sacramental marriage in the eyes of the RC rug May 2012 #27

So if two homosexuals marry in a Protestant trinitarian church... trotsky May 2012 #38

No. rug May 2012 #43

Why not? n/t trotsky May 2012 #50

You know the answer already. rug May 2012 #54

I'll jump in. The answer is: 2ndAmForComputers May 2012 #64

Any sex, straight, gay, or solo, outside a sacramental marriage is also "deeply saddening". AlbertCat May 2012 #48

You should ask your partners. rug May 2012 #57

Yes, but what do you think of his statements? laconicsax May 2012 #66

Wonder if Cardinal Dolan would like to explain this? E_Pluribus_Unitarian May 2012 #12

Here's more on that. rug May 2012 #13

Hmmm. Unlike Dawkins, Harris etc, Dolan does speak for the group dmallind May 2012 #15

No, he does speak for the group. rug May 2012 #17

So you think separate but equal is just fine? Goblinmonger May 2012 #18

I don't see Plessy v. Ferguson as having any bearing on this discussion. rug May 2012 #19

On the contrary, I'd say Dolan's opinion carries quite a bit of authority. trotsky May 2012 #21

Because the Church is flexing its, ahem, secular influence. rug May 2012 #23

But you said he isn't speaking for your church, at least with any authority. trotsky May 2012 #25

I also said he was showboating. rug May 2012 #28

Your earlier claim was not that your church had a secular role, trotsky May 2012 #37

It's both. rug May 2012 #42

I've never denied they are without secular influence. trotsky May 2012 #49

It is one of the oldest, and largest, on earth. rug May 2012 #55

One of the oldest and largest religious institutions, yes. trotsky May 2012 #68

So the church's raison d'etre should not, or does not, include social mores? dmallind May 2012 #30

Morality is a large part of its raison d'etre, but far from its main purpose. rug May 2012 #32

"That's the bright dividing line." trotsky May 2012 #39

So, they're idiots. rug May 2012 #41

I'm glad you agree. trotsky May 2012 #51

Because it is more than the hierarchs. rug May 2012 #56

And yet you still support them. n/t trotsky May 2012 #67

who pays this fuckers salary? oh yeah, its tithe paying catholics in his archdiocese. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #26

Catholics don't tithe. rug May 2012 #29

really? So the mailer my parents get from St. Cletus parish begging for money every... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #31

A request for financial support is not a tithe. rug May 2012 #33

Parish still calls it that, perhaps I should call it financial support or whatever. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #34

There's a lot about the Catholic Church I support. A lot I don't. rug May 2012 #35

Do you get to choose if your money goes to support discrimination or not? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #36

To a limited extent, less limited than my ability to keep my money awat from predator drones. rug May 2012 #40

So when your archdiocese supports an initiative to ban marriage equality somewhere... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #45

How does it feel to materially support predator drones dropping on Afghan villages? rug May 2012 #47

Bullshit comparisons because neither is a choice... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #52

There were three choices. rug May 2012 #53

Sorry, I don't materially support the DNC, I'm an independent... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #59

And if you vote for Obama, are you materially supporting drone warfare? rug May 2012 #60

Sorry, but that still doesn't work. eqfan592 May 2012 #61

Actually, that's not correct. rug May 2012 #62

Yes, I will still be supporting it, and I did not claim otherwise. eqfan592 May 2012 #63

I'm familiar with it. There are many others, including The Old Catholic Church. rug May 2012 #65

So you actually believe the mythologies and beliefs that were created to build up the church? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #69

Are you now moving on from attacking institutions to attacking people? rug May 2012 #70

Quick, find the attack I made on you. Oh, and alert on it. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #72

It's all over the place from your first comment. rug May 2012 #74

Bash me and we'll have an interesting conversation. AlbertCat May 2012 #75

Sorry. It takes two. rug May 2012 #77

Not my fault you support a homophobic organization. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #76

Not my fault you speak from ignorance. rug May 2012 #78

Prove it, show the ignorance. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #79

I already proved it with tithes. Here's another: rug May 2012 #81

When an organization opposes same sex marriage on nothing more than the Bible, they are a hate... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #82

I see. The Church that Biden and a billion others belongs to is "on the same moral level as the KKK" rug May 2012 #83

Does Biden run the Church? Or those billion others? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #84

"Paying members of a known hate group, they must be so proud." rug May 2012 #85

Actually I'm condemning their actions, if you can't tell the difference, I can't help you... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #86

So, you're condemning every Catholic who puts money in the basket at Mass? rug May 2012 #87

"Bash me and we'll have an interesting conversation." cleanhippie May 2012 #80

There are sadly a lot of people - trotsky May 2012 #71

Homer said it best. cleanhippie May 2012 #73

So glad JustAnotherGen May 2012 #44

Unique meaning of marriage???? AlbertCat May 2012 #46

He means the "traditional" meaning... brooklynite May 2012 #58