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shagsak

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52. I see your point

Fri May 11, 2012, 10:42 AM

May 2012

But I don't think it's circular logic. It's my acceptance of faith AND that the bible is legit - they go hand in hand. One is not dependent on the other. The bible does have stories that are reverberated in other historical documents that are not related to the bible (these reinforce my faith), but there are many stories/proverbs/prophecies that are not. Not sure that my previous response conveyed that, but that is my belief.

I really do see how some peoples faith can be dangerous (especially with cults). But I don't think that religious beliefs should dictate laws. It is a personal decision and something that I hold MYSELF accountable to, but not others who do not believe as I do.

The problem is that actual marriage is a religious institution. If unions between couples (gay or straight) were called something else, this wouldn't be a substantial issue. However since that word holds a different meaning to Christians, it is being used as a tool to divide and oppress by some of those in power.

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I am a liberal Christian [View all] shagsak May 2012 OP

I would recommend putting on your LARED May 2012 #1

If churches were required to perform same-sex marriages, then it would be wrong. libinnyandia May 2012 #2

I am a straight, married for 38 years woman, HockeyMom May 2012 #3

REC. +1 mr blur May 2012 #5

Honestly, as long as you are liberal, I don't care what religious beliefs edcantor May 2012 #4

Keep posting. rug May 2012 #6

When you say: mr blur May 2012 #7

Wow! SoutherDem May 2012 #8

thanks shagsak May 2012 #15

Your are welcome SoutherDem May 2012 #17

It's not the extremists that have been oppressing Goblinmonger May 2012 #53

This is the important line. dmallind May 2012 #9

"marriage" and "marriage" aren't synonymous! Liberal Insights May 2012 #10

I don't want to get on a big religious rant shagsak May 2012 #13

here's the problem dmallind May 2012 #19

seems to me shagsak May 2012 #34

But why can they not have ALL the rights you do? dmallind May 2012 #44

They Should! shagsak May 2012 #47

Did you miss my question, or am I missing your answer? dmallind May 2012 #56

There's your problem Goblinmonger May 2012 #54

Divorce may be allowed; remarriage is not muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #71

I used to think religion was useless and reactionary by its very nature, especially Abrahamic ones. white_wolf May 2012 #11

The impications of Liberation Theology are much wider than juist what has gone in in Latin America. Thats my opinion May 2012 #72

Who are you to decide what defines Christianity for others? laconicsax May 2012 #73

So you became a good person despite the Bible, thats great, what do you want, a cookie? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2012 #12

Unless and until you put your beliefs out in front as the reason for your actions cleanhippie May 2012 #14

Are there no other options in your community? cbayer May 2012 #16

"These stances are somewhat unorthodox for a Christian..." Adsos Letter May 2012 #18

At least I'm not alone in this. shagsak May 2012 #50

You never really 'found' god Oddman May 2012 #20

Not true. cbayer May 2012 #22

Of course it is true. Oddman May 2012 #24

Who told you that? cbayer May 2012 #25

They are free to make up anything Oddman May 2012 #29

Faith and belief are not based on facts or evidence. cbayer May 2012 #42

What a load of nonsensensical dogma. Starboard Tack May 2012 #86

That is true shagsak May 2012 #30

Oh for crying out loud. LTX May 2012 #36

Millions of Christians would disagree with you Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #70

What does it mean to you to be considered a Christian? cleanhippie May 2012 #37

Great question shagsak May 2012 #41

How does that differ from those that feel the same about their christianity? cleanhippie May 2012 #43

How we feel about our faith differs very little shagsak May 2012 #51

So how do you feel that your religion should be imposed on the masses? cleanhippie May 2012 #60

My religion is my decision shagsak May 2012 #63

Hm. But isn't the point of federalism and republicanism (small f and r, respectively) -> daaron May 2012 #67

That is a disrespectful response shagsak May 2012 #23

You've negated the big bang theory? Oddman May 2012 #28

OK shagsak May 2012 #31

Wow, a cut and paste response from any apologists website. cleanhippie May 2012 #38

wow you got me shagsak May 2012 #39

No, you got me. cleanhippie May 2012 #40

I will shagsak May 2012 #45

To answer the rest shagsak May 2012 #32

My beleifs not faith based Oddman May 2012 #33

Again shagsak May 2012 #35

So because someone on an internet board can't prove the big bang theory Goblinmonger May 2012 #55

No, that was just a response to why I don't believe in the big bang theory shagsak May 2012 #58

By your remark, you don't understand what theory means. Goblinmonger May 2012 #59

I apologize for the misuse of terms shagsak May 2012 #61

May I ask a serious question? deucemagnet May 2012 #46

historical precedence shagsak May 2012 #48

Can you see that you're using circular logic? deucemagnet May 2012 #49

I see your point shagsak May 2012 #52

so it seems that you are claiming the word "marriage" opiate69 May 2012 #57

Bueller??....... Bueller??........ opiate69 May 2012 #66

I am explaining the significance the word marriage has to ME shagsak May 2012 #74

"calling him magical god is similar to me saying a person chooses to be gay" Seriously? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #68

You and the fundamentalists believe exactly the same thing about the bible. Thats my opinion May 2012 #75

I don't hold the Bible up as a total falsehood, it has some history in it. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #77

I'm working on a long piece about the Bible. Thats my opinion May 2012 #78

I find no evidence for a deistic god, but such a god isn't at all like the one in the Bible. Humanist_Activist May 2012 #80

No, but a notion of deity not trapped in what is going on in cuture at the moment. nt Thats my opinion May 2012 #81

How is that not a different god than YHWH? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #82

I'm a Christian. jeepnstein May 2012 #21

You nailed it shagsak May 2012 #26

Agree. Well said. cbayer May 2012 #27

Do you follow all the batcrazy laws of the bible like killing someone who is a different religion? cynatnite May 2012 #62

No single religion or culture owns the word 'marriage'. CJCRANE May 2012 #64

Something you might find useful would be studying theology. laconicsax May 2012 #65

Are you sure about that? Why Syzygy May 2012 #69

A very helpful list of citations. Thats my opinion May 2012 #83

I'm also a liberal Christian. My Episcopal priest is the only man in town I more liberal than I am Rowdyboy May 2012 #76

Hey! Stay in there and you will discover you are not alone. Thats my opinion May 2012 #79

Try reading the books of Samuel. backscatter712 May 2012 #84

As far as MARRIAGE Why Syzygy May 2012 #85