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17. This may be news to you

Sat Jan 27, 2018, 07:39 PM

Jan 2018

but MineralMan is absolutely entitled to his own opinion in this thread, too. Whether you respect it or not is irrelevant.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] yallerdawg Jan 2018 OP

Omfg you just proved Zeus exists! Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #1

We disproved Zeus's existence. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #4

Literalist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #14

Speaking of literalists, Charlie H. Campbell is one. Mariana Jan 2018 #30

Not surprising at all. MineralMan Jan 2018 #44

There's some really hateful stuff on Campbell's site. Mariana Jan 2018 #67

I confess that I did not explore that site beyond the little MineralMan Jan 2018 #69

There's a real persistent effort to conflate Christian belief... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #76

I suggest you read some of Charlie Campbell's other MineralMan Jan 2018 #79

You're now stipulating... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #81

No. If you link to a right wing nutjobs Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #84

There is that 'conflation' again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #87

No you linked to a religious nutjobs hate screedsite Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #90

No, you are identifying religious believers as "rightwing nutjobs." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #96

that is simply a lie. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #103

Keep on! yallerdawg Jan 2018 #114

Lying for the Lord. Mariana Jan 2018 #122

Personally offensive to have one's core value and beliefs maliciously attacked and impugned PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #100

If Charlie H. Campbell and the ABR Ministry Mariana Jan 2018 #121

This is another way of saying nothing in our religion is constant. ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #57

Is there a difference between a religion and a mythology? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #62

So you dont know that ancient Greeks Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #82

I studied Greek mythology in school. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #85

So Zeus existed until people stopped believing Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #86

Wrong. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #89

Not so fast, there. MineralMan Jan 2018 #94

You said "What ancient peoples used to believe was true until they had proof it wasn't" Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #105

Proof. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #106

there is no proof zeus doesnt exist, just as there is no proof your gods dont exist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #107

Can I show you a picture of the top of Mt. Olympus? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #116

That is not proof Zeus doesnt exist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #123

Here's just such a class: MineralMan Jan 2018 #91

I see no proof there is a God. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #102

The greek god worshippers would probably respond that the gods are obviously ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #110

the last premise has no facts or proof Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #2

Go to the link. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #5

The entire thing is designed for use with non-thinking people. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6

Reading the link the logic chain breaks at point three Lordquinton Jan 2018 #19

There's more to the argument. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #20

It all stops for me with the God premise. MineralMan Jan 2018 #21

More sophistry, compounded by assumptions about the MineralMan Jan 2018 #3

It's called dialectics. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #7

It's bullshit, yallerdawg. MineralMan Jan 2018 #8

Logic and reason only apply to the one outcome. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #9

No. Logic and reason just are. MineralMan Jan 2018 #10

Obviously, this argument has harmed you in some way. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #11

How on Earth could something like that harm me? MineralMan Jan 2018 #12

This may be news to you Mariana Jan 2018 #17

He dismissed me. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #18

I did not. I dismissed the apologetics guy you pasted MineralMan Jan 2018 #23

"It's bullshit, yallerdawg." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #29

"It" is the excerpt you posted. MineralMan Jan 2018 #31

There it is again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #35

Oh, dear. Logic and reason are simply ways to examine MineralMan Jan 2018 #38

You didn't post your own thoughts and opinions in the OP. Mariana Jan 2018 #25

We share credible sources and commentaries by people who have much more authority on subjects... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #32

Authority, eh? MineralMan Jan 2018 #34

No logic, no reason, no authority. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #40

? MineralMan Jan 2018 #41

You are arguing that one cannot use logic, reason, authority... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #45

I'm done with this thread. MineralMan Jan 2018 #47

"Going nowhere." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #51

You made good points, MineralMan PJMcK Jan 2018 #74

I'll put that on my watch list. Thanks. MineralMan Jan 2018 #75

And we can disagree on whether Charlie H. Campbell is a credible authority. Mariana Jan 2018 #43

I don't get to use logic. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #50

You're lying again. No one said that. You made it up. nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #52

Calling me a liar again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #54

Arguing against a straw man version of a skeptic. longship Jan 2018 #13

Applying philosophical argument, logic and reason in support of faith... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #15

Faith is believing in something that ain't so. longship Jan 2018 #16

No I don't agree something can't come from nothing edhopper Jan 2018 #22

Lacking definitions of "nothing" and "something," MineralMan Jan 2018 #24

So true edhopper Jan 2018 #132

its like that nagging Null Hypothesis samnsara Jan 2018 #26

If you believe nothing comes from nothing you believe itsrobert Jan 2018 #27

I do not have the means to understand how it all began Thunderbeast Jan 2018 #28

OH NO YOU DIDN'T Skittles Jan 2018 #97

shh that unsupported leap is "cleverly" hidden in the babble. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #104

Something comes from nothing all the time marylandblue Jan 2018 #33

Charlie Campbell is counting on his audience to know nothing MineralMan Jan 2018 #36

Is this theory or hypothesis? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #37

Theory marylandblue Jan 2018 #39

I don't know what you reference as "nothing." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #42

According to the theory, created from nothing marylandblue Jan 2018 #46

And yet all these "theories" ultimately require a "creator." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #53

Can't wrap my head around quantum physics either marylandblue Jan 2018 #56

But there is no evidence or proof... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #58

There is no evidence there is a creator marylandblue Jan 2018 #61

You're dismissing the argument without looking at it. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #63

I've looked at it literally for decades marylandblue Jan 2018 #65

People of faith experience a reality... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #70

I acknowledge they experience a reality marylandblue Jan 2018 #77

Tests to measure the effectiveness of prayer Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #127

Why would prayer have a negative effect? marylandblue Jan 2018 #129

The Templeton Foundation lost interest Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #130

Utter nonsense randr Jan 2018 #48

I'm amused that people can CrispyQ Jan 2018 #49

Do the physicists say that all MATTER in the universe is 15B old ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #55

That's a pretty lame "proof" - but here's the thing I don't get: The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #59

Massive non sequitur at the end muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #60

In our universe, everything comes from something. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #64

You're making a lot of assumptions there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #66

How can God be in something that doesn't exist? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #68

Well, yes, that's the point - this isn't about logic, it's about thinking an anonymous writer muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #71

It's not me. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #72

"Most people don't even question their faith" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #88

Do you know people of faith? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #92

Yes, and if they try to argue by saying "most people don't question their faith" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #99

This is not a logical presentation PJMcK Jan 2018 #73

You lost me with "nothingness is..." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #78

Gosh, that's meaningless PJMcK Jan 2018 #125

it is amazing what people will make themselves believe Skittles Jan 2018 #80

Do you believe in nothing? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #83

I believe in reality Skittles Jan 2018 #95

Premise 2 is wrong: Something can come from nothing. DetlefK Jan 2018 #93

That's the biggest pile of pretentious pseudo-intellectual bullshit I have ever seen. DetlefK Jan 2018 #98

Are you suggesting that philosophical argument has no merit? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #101

who here has claimed they can prove your stupid gods dont exist? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #108

After a great deal of persuasion, convincing, logic and reason... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #109

please provide a link that supports your claim Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #111

You now agree Atheism is the belief there are no deities... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #112

This is silliness, yallerdawg. MineralMan Jan 2018 #120

Yes you win the internets. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #124

... opiate69 Jan 2018 #126

It's become hard to distinguish whether what's going on here Mariana Jan 2018 #128

I have never seen anyone here claim they can disprove the existence MineralMan Jan 2018 #113

So you don't know? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #115

Those are your words. MineralMan Jan 2018 #117

If you want to win over someone to rational skepticism, you have to use rational logic first. DetlefK Jan 2018 #134

It's not even an argument because the premises are undefined and meaningless hogwash. DetlefK Jan 2018 #133

THIS LOGICAL ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD HAS BEEN A WINNER! yallerdawg Jan 2018 #118

Save your energy. MineralMan Jan 2018 #119

If something can't come from nothing edhopper Jan 2018 #131

Sagan said it best Lordquinton Jan 2018 #136

Nothingness is unstable. Absolute, true nothingness, not even quantum foam, is unstable. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #135

I like how you linked to a bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, anti-catholic, islamophobic website Heddi Jan 2018 #137