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MineralMan

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31. "It" is the excerpt you posted.

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:56 AM

Jan 2018

I assume that you posted it here because it seemed correct to you. I can't think of any other reason for the post.

My comments were in regard to the Internet content you posted here. It is, and will remain, nonsense based on faulty logic. It's patently ridiculous. I'm sorry that you were taken in by it, but I can't do anything about that. The fact that such apologetics are used in the attempt to market a religion is sad, at best. That some people believe such faulty logic is also very sad, and speaks to our educational system doing a poor job.

I'm sorry you were offended by my frank comments. Beyond that, I cannot go in apologizing. But, my comments were aimed at Charlie Campbell, not you. You were just the person who posted it here.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] yallerdawg Jan 2018 OP

Omfg you just proved Zeus exists! Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #1

We disproved Zeus's existence. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #4

Literalist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #14

Speaking of literalists, Charlie H. Campbell is one. Mariana Jan 2018 #30

Not surprising at all. MineralMan Jan 2018 #44

There's some really hateful stuff on Campbell's site. Mariana Jan 2018 #67

I confess that I did not explore that site beyond the little MineralMan Jan 2018 #69

There's a real persistent effort to conflate Christian belief... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #76

I suggest you read some of Charlie Campbell's other MineralMan Jan 2018 #79

You're now stipulating... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #81

No. If you link to a right wing nutjobs Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #84

There is that 'conflation' again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #87

No you linked to a religious nutjobs hate screedsite Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #90

No, you are identifying religious believers as "rightwing nutjobs." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #96

that is simply a lie. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #103

Keep on! yallerdawg Jan 2018 #114

Lying for the Lord. Mariana Jan 2018 #122

Personally offensive to have one's core value and beliefs maliciously attacked and impugned PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #100

If Charlie H. Campbell and the ABR Ministry Mariana Jan 2018 #121

This is another way of saying nothing in our religion is constant. ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #57

Is there a difference between a religion and a mythology? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #62

So you dont know that ancient Greeks Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #82

I studied Greek mythology in school. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #85

So Zeus existed until people stopped believing Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #86

Wrong. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #89

Not so fast, there. MineralMan Jan 2018 #94

You said "What ancient peoples used to believe was true until they had proof it wasn't" Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #105

Proof. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #106

there is no proof zeus doesnt exist, just as there is no proof your gods dont exist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #107

Can I show you a picture of the top of Mt. Olympus? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #116

That is not proof Zeus doesnt exist. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #123

Here's just such a class: MineralMan Jan 2018 #91

I see no proof there is a God. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #102

The greek god worshippers would probably respond that the gods are obviously ExciteBike66 Jan 2018 #110

the last premise has no facts or proof Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #2

Go to the link. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #5

The entire thing is designed for use with non-thinking people. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6

Reading the link the logic chain breaks at point three Lordquinton Jan 2018 #19

There's more to the argument. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #20

It all stops for me with the God premise. MineralMan Jan 2018 #21

More sophistry, compounded by assumptions about the MineralMan Jan 2018 #3

It's called dialectics. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #7

It's bullshit, yallerdawg. MineralMan Jan 2018 #8

Logic and reason only apply to the one outcome. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #9

No. Logic and reason just are. MineralMan Jan 2018 #10

Obviously, this argument has harmed you in some way. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #11

How on Earth could something like that harm me? MineralMan Jan 2018 #12

This may be news to you Mariana Jan 2018 #17

He dismissed me. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #18

I did not. I dismissed the apologetics guy you pasted MineralMan Jan 2018 #23

"It's bullshit, yallerdawg." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #29

"It" is the excerpt you posted. MineralMan Jan 2018 #31

There it is again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #35

Oh, dear. Logic and reason are simply ways to examine MineralMan Jan 2018 #38

You didn't post your own thoughts and opinions in the OP. Mariana Jan 2018 #25

We share credible sources and commentaries by people who have much more authority on subjects... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #32

Authority, eh? MineralMan Jan 2018 #34

No logic, no reason, no authority. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #40

? MineralMan Jan 2018 #41

You are arguing that one cannot use logic, reason, authority... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #45

I'm done with this thread. MineralMan Jan 2018 #47

"Going nowhere." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #51

You made good points, MineralMan PJMcK Jan 2018 #74

I'll put that on my watch list. Thanks. MineralMan Jan 2018 #75

And we can disagree on whether Charlie H. Campbell is a credible authority. Mariana Jan 2018 #43

I don't get to use logic. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #50

You're lying again. No one said that. You made it up. nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #52

Calling me a liar again. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #54

Arguing against a straw man version of a skeptic. longship Jan 2018 #13

Applying philosophical argument, logic and reason in support of faith... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #15

Faith is believing in something that ain't so. longship Jan 2018 #16

No I don't agree something can't come from nothing edhopper Jan 2018 #22

Lacking definitions of "nothing" and "something," MineralMan Jan 2018 #24

So true edhopper Jan 2018 #132

its like that nagging Null Hypothesis samnsara Jan 2018 #26

If you believe nothing comes from nothing you believe itsrobert Jan 2018 #27

I do not have the means to understand how it all began Thunderbeast Jan 2018 #28

OH NO YOU DIDN'T Skittles Jan 2018 #97

shh that unsupported leap is "cleverly" hidden in the babble. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #104

Something comes from nothing all the time marylandblue Jan 2018 #33

Charlie Campbell is counting on his audience to know nothing MineralMan Jan 2018 #36

Is this theory or hypothesis? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #37

Theory marylandblue Jan 2018 #39

I don't know what you reference as "nothing." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #42

According to the theory, created from nothing marylandblue Jan 2018 #46

And yet all these "theories" ultimately require a "creator." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #53

Can't wrap my head around quantum physics either marylandblue Jan 2018 #56

But there is no evidence or proof... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #58

There is no evidence there is a creator marylandblue Jan 2018 #61

You're dismissing the argument without looking at it. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #63

I've looked at it literally for decades marylandblue Jan 2018 #65

People of faith experience a reality... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #70

I acknowledge they experience a reality marylandblue Jan 2018 #77

Tests to measure the effectiveness of prayer Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #127

Why would prayer have a negative effect? marylandblue Jan 2018 #129

The Templeton Foundation lost interest Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #130

Utter nonsense randr Jan 2018 #48

I'm amused that people can CrispyQ Jan 2018 #49

Do the physicists say that all MATTER in the universe is 15B old ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #55

That's a pretty lame "proof" - but here's the thing I don't get: The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #59

Massive non sequitur at the end muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #60

In our universe, everything comes from something. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #64

You're making a lot of assumptions there muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #66

How can God be in something that doesn't exist? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #68

Well, yes, that's the point - this isn't about logic, it's about thinking an anonymous writer muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #71

It's not me. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #72

"Most people don't even question their faith" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #88

Do you know people of faith? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #92

Yes, and if they try to argue by saying "most people don't question their faith" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #99

This is not a logical presentation PJMcK Jan 2018 #73

You lost me with "nothingness is..." yallerdawg Jan 2018 #78

Gosh, that's meaningless PJMcK Jan 2018 #125

it is amazing what people will make themselves believe Skittles Jan 2018 #80

Do you believe in nothing? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #83

I believe in reality Skittles Jan 2018 #95

Premise 2 is wrong: Something can come from nothing. DetlefK Jan 2018 #93

That's the biggest pile of pretentious pseudo-intellectual bullshit I have ever seen. DetlefK Jan 2018 #98

Are you suggesting that philosophical argument has no merit? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #101

who here has claimed they can prove your stupid gods dont exist? Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #108

After a great deal of persuasion, convincing, logic and reason... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #109

please provide a link that supports your claim Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #111

You now agree Atheism is the belief there are no deities... yallerdawg Jan 2018 #112

This is silliness, yallerdawg. MineralMan Jan 2018 #120

Yes you win the internets. Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #124

... opiate69 Jan 2018 #126

It's become hard to distinguish whether what's going on here Mariana Jan 2018 #128

I have never seen anyone here claim they can disprove the existence MineralMan Jan 2018 #113

So you don't know? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #115

Those are your words. MineralMan Jan 2018 #117

If you want to win over someone to rational skepticism, you have to use rational logic first. DetlefK Jan 2018 #134

It's not even an argument because the premises are undefined and meaningless hogwash. DetlefK Jan 2018 #133

THIS LOGICAL ARGUMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD HAS BEEN A WINNER! yallerdawg Jan 2018 #118

Save your energy. MineralMan Jan 2018 #119

If something can't come from nothing edhopper Jan 2018 #131

Sagan said it best Lordquinton Jan 2018 #136

Nothingness is unstable. Absolute, true nothingness, not even quantum foam, is unstable. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #135

I like how you linked to a bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, anti-catholic, islamophobic website Heddi Jan 2018 #137