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cleanhippie

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32. There are a few words you are misuing, humblebum.

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Fri May 11, 2012, 05:01 PM

May 2012

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1. Argument
2. red-herring
3. Fallacy
4. Proves
5. Intentions
6. Solely
7.anti-religious

"Full of fail", indeed!

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"Thou shalt not enslave your fellow human beings." ~ Absolutelyfuckingnowhere 3:16 [View all] cynatnite May 2012 OP

Mark 12:31 rug May 2012 #1

Mark 12:31? eqfan592 May 2012 #3

Which requires one to acknowledge a slave as one's neighbor. trotsky May 2012 #6

It doesn't mention slavery at all. rug May 2012 #7

That verse is even more friendly to the pro-slavery position. trotsky May 2012 #10

Here's the passage. rug May 2012 #31

My "clear implication" is that there is no clear interpretation. trotsky May 2012 #34

I'm not sure that he discusses slavery at all but here's the answer to your second question. rug May 2012 #35

Oh in typical biblical fashion, there's still plenty of wiggle room. trotsky May 2012 #39

"But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, 'And who is my neighbor?'” rug May 2012 #40

Why do you accuse me of having that view? That is rude, not necessary, trotsky May 2012 #41

Sorry. rug May 2012 #42

Actually, the contrast is between your interpretation of the parable and his. eqfan592 May 2012 #44

Could be, of course, LTX May 2012 #2

Sorry, not to be an asshole, but that's a pretty weak excuse... eqfan592 May 2012 #4

Considering that slavery was a normal accepted part of virtually all societies humblebum May 2012 #5

Wow, coming out with both barrels of "fail" firing today, aren't we, humblebum? eqfan592 May 2012 #12

So now you assuming to speak for a god in which you do not believe? Your humblebum May 2012 #14

My argument is a part of why I became an atheist in the first place. eqfan592 May 2012 #19

And I will still challenge your assumptions when you introduce such jaded arguments as this. humblebum May 2012 #20

Then we clearly have nothing further to discuss. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #22

Thanks for my laugh this morning Goblinmonger May 2012 #25

lol, you're welcome! eqfan592 May 2012 #26

I think that you already know that your so-called argument is humblebum May 2012 #29

There are a few words you are misuing, humblebum. cleanhippie May 2012 #32

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Nice personal attack. cleanhippie May 2012 #37

And how was that a personal attack? More like a response humblebum May 2012 #38

You resorted to childish namecalling. cleanhippie May 2012 #45

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #57

Depends on whether you view LTX May 2012 #15

This is very true. eqfan592 May 2012 #21

I think the LTX May 2012 #27

Good post there. Thanks. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #43

But they were written after the invention of slavery. trotsky May 2012 #9

So what year was slavery invented? nt humblebum May 2012 #11

Prior to 1st Century CE, which is all that matters. dmallind May 2012 #16

Who holds the patent? nt humblebum May 2012 #18

Those hadn't been invented yet. eqfan592 May 2012 #23

What was the prototype? nt humblebum May 2012 #28

Sorry, rounds are over skepticscott May 2012 #30

nevermind. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #74

I suppose there's an entire book of the Bible (Exodus) devoted to freeing Hebrew Slaves... OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #8

Yeah, but they were the lead protagonists. eqfan592 May 2012 #13

And slaves who weren't Hebrews? dmallind May 2012 #17

None of which turns out to be true. daaron May 2012 #24

Just another chapter of fiction, as there is no record of jews ever being enslaved in Egypt. cleanhippie May 2012 #33

Who didn't take very long to become slave-masters themselves. backscatter712 May 2012 #58

OT clearly permits slavery. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #75

Gotta love the Ten Commandments. backscatter712 May 2012 #46

Well the obvious response to that... eqfan592 May 2012 #47

Gotta wonder what the other five were... backscatter712 May 2012 #59

It would have contradicted the tenth one. laconicsax May 2012 #48

Not just the Ten Commandments skepticscott May 2012 #50

Wow, could the Christians in this thread be any more defensive and dishonest? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #49

Well, yes they could skepticscott May 2012 #51

If you are referring to the thread I started, only one religious person said no unequivocally... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #52

What will you kill for , what will you die for? Leontius May 2012 #53

I will kill to protect myself or others from imminent bodily harm... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #54

So you value PEOPLE over yourself ? Leontius May 2012 #60

He said he would die to protect other people. eqfan592 May 2012 #61

Should have been "So" in the heading Leontius May 2012 #63

I would say yes to the first question... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #64

Are you saying that as Christians we sin as much and as often Leontius May 2012 #78

As I recall skepticscott May 2012 #55

Yes, that's why I consider their beliefs not only foolish, but dangerous... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #56

What did "Jesus himself" say about slavery? rug May 2012 #62

Yes, and Jesus was in favor of beating them... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #65

I see. You consider servants to be slaves. And you do not know what a parable is. rug May 2012 #66

When they can be beaten by masters, yes. Is that really too hard for you to understand? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #67

I'm not defending evil, I'm attacking ignorant remarks. rug May 2012 #68

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Let me understand you. rug May 2012 #70

Anyone who defends the Bible and passages in it, equivocates, dissembles... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #71

Anyone who defends Bible passages is defending evil? rug May 2012 #72

yes generally the term in the bible refers to people who are slaves. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #76

Not only are they condoning it.... eqfan592 May 2012 #73

Thou shalt not pick your nose in public places (notfoundanywhereeither 4:22) LARED May 2012 #77

Wow, so slavery is analogous to nose-picking? laconicsax May 2012 #79

You're making that analogy not me. LARED May 2012 #80

So your strongest condemnation of slavery skepticscott May 2012 #81

Of course I made no statement about how I feel about slavery, so lets make something up to make LARED May 2012 #83

Exactly what you said was skepticscott May 2012 #85

OK lets try this LARED May 2012 #87

Except it's what you posted. laconicsax May 2012 #82

Because as already explained it was not a counter example LARED May 2012 #84

The OP made no such appeal. laconicsax May 2012 #86

Again you ignore what I have said about both posts LARED May 2012 #88

The historical context is that the bible is 2000 years or more out-of-date muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #89

Well that is certainly one view LARED May 2012 #90

Yes, it's a product of its culture and times muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #91

Keep running away from what you posted. laconicsax May 2012 #95

Yes, continue to distort the facts LARED May 2012 #96

Hmm...so quoting you exactly is distorting the facts? laconicsax May 2012 #97

What fallacy is it when someone purposefully omits relevant information? LARED May 2012 #98

Ooh! Now repeating your words is deceit! laconicsax May 2012 #100

When you figure out what counter example means let me know. LARED May 2012 #101

You deny that you gave nose-picking as an example in response to slavery? laconicsax May 2012 #102

At least you did not call what I posted a counter example again. LARED May 2012 #103

What's funny is you continue to claim that what you posted wasn't an attempt at a counterexample. eqfan592 May 2012 #105

That claim is consistence with what I have posted. LARED May 2012 #106

Looked for it in the Periodic Table of Elements, too. Still no dice... LanternWaste May 2012 #92

No one claims the Periodic Table is a moral guide. trotsky May 2012 #93

Oh really? laconicsax May 2012 #94

........ eqfan592 May 2012 #99

If you just consider the Biblical texts dealing with slavery in the historic context in which they Thats my opinion May 2012 #104

+1 nt LARED May 2012 #107

The defense that the Bible is skepticscott May 2012 #108

Seems like a someone should have asked this a long time ago LARED May 2012 #109

First, please state for the record skepticscott May 2012 #110

There are many simple points that one could draw out of the OP LARED May 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer May 2012 #112

Is that what you were doing when you compared slavery to nose-picking? laconicsax May 2012 #113

You already know the answer to that is no. But keep trying. nt LARED May 2012 #114