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longship

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2. No faith necessary. We have data and theories that actually work.

Sat Feb 3, 2018, 11:25 PM

Feb 2018

That's never good enough for theists who want everything to be about faith, whether it is or not, and especially if it is demonstrably not.

Tiresome. Really.

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You either believe in something or in nothing. Either way you have to have faith [View all] applegrove Feb 2018 OP

This is just a God of the gaps argument marylandblue Feb 2018 #1

Interesting point... Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #3

I'm agnostic. Something had to start time. That something i have faith in. applegrove Feb 2018 #4

I am an agnostic as well, but physics as an explanation for things marylandblue Feb 2018 #6

That is a finite view. safeinOhio Feb 2018 #15

Yup. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #5

No faith necessary. We have data and theories that actually work. longship Feb 2018 #2

Why is the choice between nothing and gods? Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #7

As an agnostic I think a god of some kind created the universe and time. applegrove Feb 2018 #8

Youre welcome to that belief but not to Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #9

Are we going to have the "something created the big bang" "well someting applegrove Feb 2018 #11

Sure. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #17

If it's inanimate, what makes it a god? marylandblue Feb 2018 #10

I worship the trees in nature, the drumlins in Nova Scotia and the spirits of my dead ancestors. applegrove Feb 2018 #12

Hint: Dryads don't exist. But worship the trees all you want. longship Feb 2018 #31

Why worship them, as opposed to just loving then? marylandblue Feb 2018 #38

You believe there is, or was, a god of some kind Mariana Feb 2018 #13

Something magic happened. I have faith in that. applegrove Feb 2018 #14

FFS, I love the Harry Potter books. longship Feb 2018 #32

Perhaps not in your universe. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #44

Oh and you arent an agnostic in the standard Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #18

In a Universe where edhopper Feb 2018 #16

This fails as a false dilemma fallacy. J_William_Ryan Feb 2018 #19

I'm talking about the miracle of the universe. The miracle of time. applegrove Feb 2018 #20

You're going to double and triple down on your strawman, then? Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #21

So what do atheists believe in? What gives them faith in what none of us know applegrove Feb 2018 #22

Reasonably put, so I do thank you for that Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #23

Thanks for explaining. See we do get along. applegrove Feb 2018 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #25

I'm an atheist, and I have no idea how the universe came to be. Mariana Feb 2018 #34

This sounds more like the agnostic position. eom guillaumeb Feb 2018 #45

I'm an atheist. Mariana Feb 2018 #47

"Maybe a god did it." guillaumeb Feb 2018 #54

Well, maybe a god did it. Mariana Feb 2018 #55

See now this here is a teachable moment. trotsky Feb 2018 #57

The word "miracle." I do not think it means what you think it means. MineralMan Feb 2018 #36

I do not believe in god, but nor do I believe in the non-existence of "god". Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #26

A miracle. That is God to me. applegrove Feb 2018 #27

what do you mean by "miracle". Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #28

Everything is part of a miracle. I choose to revere my ancestors and nature. applegrove Feb 2018 #29

If you leave it there you are a pantheist Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #30

So by "miracle" you mean the ordinary things of everday existence. Hmmm. Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #39

Don't put me in a box of your own making... NeoGreen Feb 2018 #33

I'm just glad baseball fans aren't like this Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #40

Nope. The Universe Just Is. MineralMan Feb 2018 #35

Einstein could observe outside of mankind's experience. Lots of thinkers applegrove Feb 2018 #48

It is certainly possible to "imagine" things MineralMan Feb 2018 #50

But you yourself imagine 'no miracle' started it all. applegrove Feb 2018 #58

Nope, that's wrong. trotsky Feb 2018 #59

No miracle is needed. MineralMan Feb 2018 #60

"Why sometimes... edhopper Feb 2018 #61

LOL! MineralMan Feb 2018 #62

God is only one explanation edhopper Feb 2018 #37

Observable facts require no faith Thyla Feb 2018 #41

We put some small amount of "faith" in the assumption that there is an external universe to observe. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #42

True. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #43

No, what some argue is that what you are using the word "belief" incorrectly. trotsky Feb 2018 #51

I have seen no compelling evidence for the existence of gods. (n/t) Iggo Feb 2018 #46

Well gee wiz. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #49

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Don't know if you've learned anything from this thread, but... trotsky Feb 2018 #53

Yep. Iggo Feb 2018 #56

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #63