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MarvinGardens

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35. No, the light was seen long before science explained it.

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 12:47 PM

Feb 2018

People saw and described light long ago, and then attempted to explain it. We now call it electromagnetic radiation and have discovered mathematical rules that it obeys, but it was always there for anyone with sight to see. It is a real, tangible thing that anyone with sight can see.

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Faith and Science [View all] yallerdawg Feb 2018 OP

It's not faith zipplewrath Feb 2018 #1

You sure have a lot of faith in science! yallerdawg Feb 2018 #3

Trust zipplewrath Feb 2018 #22

From Bing. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #34

All theories from science can be backed up by evidence. BigRig Feb 2018 #2

That is certainly what most of us believe unquestionably. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #5

"hoped for" and "not seen" - so that is *not* what BigRig was saying muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #80

If you have faith that something is so... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #81

Because it's drummed into billions from childhood that their eternal fate depends on believing muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #82

What about free will? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #83

The huge majority of the world stays with the religion they were taught as children muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #84

If it works for the parents, why wouldn't it work for the children? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #85

If it works? edhopper Feb 2018 #87

Did Zeus, Odin, Baal, Osiris, edhopper Feb 2018 #86

This doesn't really prove what you want it to prove. ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #4

It's called an analogy in regards to our premise of faith. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #11

And the analogy isn't a good one... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #14

"We can all see the benefits science has brought us." yallerdawg Feb 2018 #29

The issue isn't that science can't harm us marylandblue Feb 2018 #49

I would go further and state that regardless of whether religion actually helps... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #68

I'm still waiting for my god-powered toaster.... ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #64

There are Jesus toasters, however. longship Feb 2018 #65

Would it be sinful to cover His likeness with jelly? nt ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #67

You don't need to do that marylandblue Feb 2018 #71

That would be quite a mess! ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #72

Bullshit argument using an equivocation fallacy. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #6

Weak sauce, yallerdawg PJMcK Feb 2018 #7

Illogical attempt at analogy.. Permanut Feb 2018 #8

Light speed and Warp speed Cartoonist Feb 2018 #9

You can verify the speed of light fairly easily VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #10

If I studied it real hard so I could comprehend all this... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #12

Lol, "science is hard so it is just like religion"? ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #15

I'm just pointing out that in reality the vast majority of us live in faith. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #17

Ah, well my other posts have already covered that. ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #19

That was my point VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #52

Faith in science is not the same at all. sfwriter Feb 2018 #13

That's interesting, but very poor logic. MineralMan Feb 2018 #16

I went with an easier argument myself ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #18

Well, an even easier argument is available. MineralMan Feb 2018 #20

If someone gives you the figures, anyone can do the math. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #26

Uff da! MineralMan Feb 2018 #27

No, the light was seen long before science explained it. MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #35

Change a few words... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #38

Yeah, you just have to change the word "real".... nt ExciteBike66 Feb 2018 #70

Deities are "incomprehensible" to you. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #21

That's just silly. I comprehend the concept of deities just fine. MineralMan Feb 2018 #24

What a bunch of stupid shit. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #23

Scientific theories are falsifiable. MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #25

Scientific theories are falsifiable ... Mariana Feb 2018 #31

Dude, this is just embarrassing. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2018 #28

Is it impossible for you to look at it from someone else's perspective? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #32

You really don't understand my position. I'm fine with people practicing their faith. I really am. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2018 #36

Hold on a second. progressoid Feb 2018 #37

Lost me at Dr Ejaz Thyla Feb 2018 #30

What about citing historical religious documents for a basis of any argument? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #33

If you watched the eclipse last summer as millions did marylandblue Feb 2018 #39

What if I trust Muhammad? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #40

Perhaps you could pray for better understanding MineralMan Feb 2018 #41

Maybe God will tell me you're right? yallerdawg Feb 2018 #42

Perhaps, but highly unlikely. MineralMan Feb 2018 #46

Because one is an objective thing that you can see with your eyes marylandblue Feb 2018 #44

I agree. There is one great similarity. PdxSean Feb 2018 #43

Scientists are good and infallible. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #45

That is not what the poster said. MineralMan Feb 2018 #48

You are predictable, that's for sure. Mariana Feb 2018 #51

There you are. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #54

That is not a response to the post. MineralMan Feb 2018 #55

Along those lines, my physics professor demonstrated marylandblue Feb 2018 #47

A very good objective example of the law of gravity. MineralMan Feb 2018 #50

Cool... spicysista Feb 2018 #53

I'm glad you can read it with an open mind. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #59

You can verify the speed of light yourself. Eko Feb 2018 #56

I'm going to take their word for it. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #57

you shouldn't just take their word for it edhopper Feb 2018 #60

Uh-huh. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #62

You are really missing the point here edhopper Feb 2018 #63

If I could verify one miracle in the Bible marylandblue Feb 2018 #74

You don't have to trust them. MineralMan Feb 2018 #61

Well my point is. Eko Feb 2018 #76

My point is... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #77

How you feel about it doesnt matter. Eko Feb 2018 #78

Here is a simple physics lab experiment that MineralMan Feb 2018 #58

You are merely insisting that you believe in nothing. yallerdawg Feb 2018 #66

"Believe in" is not an expression I use. MineralMan Feb 2018 #69

Every bit of your argument... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #73

I don't care what others believe. If they discuss it in public and MineralMan Feb 2018 #75

The same predictable response from the same few non-theists. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #79