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Humanist_Activist

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65. Yes, and Jesus was in favor of beating them...

Sun May 13, 2012, 02:11 PM

May 2012

"The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." - Luke 12:47-48

I'm sure you will try to dissemble this as with everything else.

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"Thou shalt not enslave your fellow human beings." ~ Absolutelyfuckingnowhere 3:16 [View all] cynatnite May 2012 OP

Mark 12:31 rug May 2012 #1

Mark 12:31? eqfan592 May 2012 #3

Which requires one to acknowledge a slave as one's neighbor. trotsky May 2012 #6

It doesn't mention slavery at all. rug May 2012 #7

That verse is even more friendly to the pro-slavery position. trotsky May 2012 #10

Here's the passage. rug May 2012 #31

My "clear implication" is that there is no clear interpretation. trotsky May 2012 #34

I'm not sure that he discusses slavery at all but here's the answer to your second question. rug May 2012 #35

Oh in typical biblical fashion, there's still plenty of wiggle room. trotsky May 2012 #39

"But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, 'And who is my neighbor?'” rug May 2012 #40

Why do you accuse me of having that view? That is rude, not necessary, trotsky May 2012 #41

Sorry. rug May 2012 #42

Actually, the contrast is between your interpretation of the parable and his. eqfan592 May 2012 #44

Could be, of course, LTX May 2012 #2

Sorry, not to be an asshole, but that's a pretty weak excuse... eqfan592 May 2012 #4

Considering that slavery was a normal accepted part of virtually all societies humblebum May 2012 #5

Wow, coming out with both barrels of "fail" firing today, aren't we, humblebum? eqfan592 May 2012 #12

So now you assuming to speak for a god in which you do not believe? Your humblebum May 2012 #14

My argument is a part of why I became an atheist in the first place. eqfan592 May 2012 #19

And I will still challenge your assumptions when you introduce such jaded arguments as this. humblebum May 2012 #20

Then we clearly have nothing further to discuss. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #22

Thanks for my laugh this morning Goblinmonger May 2012 #25

lol, you're welcome! eqfan592 May 2012 #26

I think that you already know that your so-called argument is humblebum May 2012 #29

There are a few words you are misuing, humblebum. cleanhippie May 2012 #32

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #36

Nice personal attack. cleanhippie May 2012 #37

And how was that a personal attack? More like a response humblebum May 2012 #38

You resorted to childish namecalling. cleanhippie May 2012 #45

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #57

Depends on whether you view LTX May 2012 #15

This is very true. eqfan592 May 2012 #21

I think the LTX May 2012 #27

Good post there. Thanks. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #43

But they were written after the invention of slavery. trotsky May 2012 #9

So what year was slavery invented? nt humblebum May 2012 #11

Prior to 1st Century CE, which is all that matters. dmallind May 2012 #16

Who holds the patent? nt humblebum May 2012 #18

Those hadn't been invented yet. eqfan592 May 2012 #23

What was the prototype? nt humblebum May 2012 #28

Sorry, rounds are over skepticscott May 2012 #30

nevermind. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #74

I suppose there's an entire book of the Bible (Exodus) devoted to freeing Hebrew Slaves... OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #8

Yeah, but they were the lead protagonists. eqfan592 May 2012 #13

And slaves who weren't Hebrews? dmallind May 2012 #17

None of which turns out to be true. daaron May 2012 #24

Just another chapter of fiction, as there is no record of jews ever being enslaved in Egypt. cleanhippie May 2012 #33

Who didn't take very long to become slave-masters themselves. backscatter712 May 2012 #58

OT clearly permits slavery. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #75

Gotta love the Ten Commandments. backscatter712 May 2012 #46

Well the obvious response to that... eqfan592 May 2012 #47

Gotta wonder what the other five were... backscatter712 May 2012 #59

It would have contradicted the tenth one. laconicsax May 2012 #48

Not just the Ten Commandments skepticscott May 2012 #50

Wow, could the Christians in this thread be any more defensive and dishonest? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #49

Well, yes they could skepticscott May 2012 #51

If you are referring to the thread I started, only one religious person said no unequivocally... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #52

What will you kill for , what will you die for? Leontius May 2012 #53

I will kill to protect myself or others from imminent bodily harm... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #54

So you value PEOPLE over yourself ? Leontius May 2012 #60

He said he would die to protect other people. eqfan592 May 2012 #61

Should have been "So" in the heading Leontius May 2012 #63

I would say yes to the first question... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #64

Are you saying that as Christians we sin as much and as often Leontius May 2012 #78

As I recall skepticscott May 2012 #55

Yes, that's why I consider their beliefs not only foolish, but dangerous... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #56

What did "Jesus himself" say about slavery? rug May 2012 #62

Yes, and Jesus was in favor of beating them... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #65

I see. You consider servants to be slaves. And you do not know what a parable is. rug May 2012 #66

When they can be beaten by masters, yes. Is that really too hard for you to understand? Humanist_Activist May 2012 #67

I'm not defending evil, I'm attacking ignorant remarks. rug May 2012 #68

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #69

Let me understand you. rug May 2012 #70

Anyone who defends the Bible and passages in it, equivocates, dissembles... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #71

Anyone who defends Bible passages is defending evil? rug May 2012 #72

yes generally the term in the bible refers to people who are slaves. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #76

Not only are they condoning it.... eqfan592 May 2012 #73

Thou shalt not pick your nose in public places (notfoundanywhereeither 4:22) LARED May 2012 #77

Wow, so slavery is analogous to nose-picking? laconicsax May 2012 #79

You're making that analogy not me. LARED May 2012 #80

So your strongest condemnation of slavery skepticscott May 2012 #81

Of course I made no statement about how I feel about slavery, so lets make something up to make LARED May 2012 #83

Exactly what you said was skepticscott May 2012 #85

OK lets try this LARED May 2012 #87

Except it's what you posted. laconicsax May 2012 #82

Because as already explained it was not a counter example LARED May 2012 #84

The OP made no such appeal. laconicsax May 2012 #86

Again you ignore what I have said about both posts LARED May 2012 #88

The historical context is that the bible is 2000 years or more out-of-date muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #89

Well that is certainly one view LARED May 2012 #90

Yes, it's a product of its culture and times muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #91

Keep running away from what you posted. laconicsax May 2012 #95

Yes, continue to distort the facts LARED May 2012 #96

Hmm...so quoting you exactly is distorting the facts? laconicsax May 2012 #97

What fallacy is it when someone purposefully omits relevant information? LARED May 2012 #98

Ooh! Now repeating your words is deceit! laconicsax May 2012 #100

When you figure out what counter example means let me know. LARED May 2012 #101

You deny that you gave nose-picking as an example in response to slavery? laconicsax May 2012 #102

At least you did not call what I posted a counter example again. LARED May 2012 #103

What's funny is you continue to claim that what you posted wasn't an attempt at a counterexample. eqfan592 May 2012 #105

That claim is consistence with what I have posted. LARED May 2012 #106

Looked for it in the Periodic Table of Elements, too. Still no dice... LanternWaste May 2012 #92

No one claims the Periodic Table is a moral guide. trotsky May 2012 #93

Oh really? laconicsax May 2012 #94

........ eqfan592 May 2012 #99

If you just consider the Biblical texts dealing with slavery in the historic context in which they Thats my opinion May 2012 #104

+1 nt LARED May 2012 #107

The defense that the Bible is skepticscott May 2012 #108

Seems like a someone should have asked this a long time ago LARED May 2012 #109

First, please state for the record skepticscott May 2012 #110

There are many simple points that one could draw out of the OP LARED May 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer May 2012 #112

Is that what you were doing when you compared slavery to nose-picking? laconicsax May 2012 #113

You already know the answer to that is no. But keep trying. nt LARED May 2012 #114